Cream Legbar Working Group: Standard of Perfection

[babymakes6]

For those of us who are "anatomically challenged"

 

[judy dutruch]

we have three hens and one gorgeous roo...raised from chicks from Greenfire Farms. we paid 100 each for the pullets, but the price is lower now. we are raising chicks and will sell fertile eggs if anyone is interested in these wonderful birds. we want to join the group and learn as much as we can about them. [email protected] in Louisiana Judy

 

[ChicKat]

Here are two that may help-- and help me understand. They were taken in June...Y'know when you first get your camera and you go shoot everything in site.



there is a white/wheaten EE behind him -hence the gray leg in the picture.

His curtain of saddle feathers has a warmer color - and the neck hackles don't have what I'm thinking that you are referring to as a straw color.

It also shows the feathers below the wing -- (Is that the fluff? or is the fluff the stuff under the feathers?) Also shows the chestnut on the shoulders. This was before he shed his flashy white tail sickle-feathers. His crest does have barring and coloring similar to the saddle feathers curtained over the wings.



Facing the other direction - next picture on the 'roll'.

 

[ChicKat]

we have three hens and one gorgeous roo...raised from chicks from Greenfire Farms. we paid 100 each for the pullets, but the price is lower now. we are raising chicks and will sell fertile eggs if anyone is interested in these wonderful birds. we want to join the group and learn as much as we can about them. [email protected] in Louisiana Judy

Yea judy!

Welcome.

 

[ChicKat]

Thanks babymakes6 - nice chart!

 

[babymakes6]

Cream Legbar Color – Male





Comb, Face and Wattles: Bright Red. Redchicken9: yes. Babymakes6: yes

Beak: Yellow. (Here, I put yellow following the BPS, however the color ‘horn’ also shows up in ASP, examples leghorn beak color is horn; Plymouth rock, yellow. Horn may be a more natural yellow or a color dirtier than pure yellow, this is hard to say). Ok, the SOP defines horn as a broad term commonly used in describing various shadings of color in the beak (thanks Walt on the reminder to look at the glossary). Redchicken9: I think yellow is OK, but I'm still not fully certain. Below is a juvenile female, seems to be shading on her. Babymakes6: could we do yellow for male and horn for female?




Eyes: Reddish bay. (BPS describes these as orange or red. ASP states reddish bay for a large number of bird eyes that I think may have the same eye color like leghorns, Plymouth rocks, wyandottes, javas, RIR, buckeyes, etc. Different eye descriptions include Minorcas, dark brown; black breasted red modern game have red eyes, while brown red modern game have black eyes). Redchicken9: Bay = light golden brown. Above female, but eye color is truly reddish bay. Yes. Babymakes6: Yes




Ear-lobes: Enamel white (or white). (BPS considers it as opaque, white or cream, slight pink markings OK. Here I believe it is a one color only description, with the other possible option being white. Leghorns, minorcas, blue andalusions, buff catalanas are enamel white; Sicilian buttercups are white). Redchicken9: the enamel-white has a satin white surface color, hmm. Going with yes here. Babymakes6: Keep it simple-I like white.


Crest: Cream and gray barred, (BPS some chestnut permissible). Redchicken9: Photo below is of a small crest, so it's hard to define how much is a true crest. I'd describe some of it like the pale straw barred with bright gold brown, another feather or two appears grey and cream. I think it needs to be described as barred, so I'm adding that in. Not certain if I need to add in irregular barring (see below). Babymakes6: I like this description, and I agree too, that "barred" needs to be added.





Head (added): Hackle cream with infrequent, irregular barring. Redchicken9: as below.

Neck: Hackle cream with infrequent, irregular barring. (BPS: sparsely barred. From my just learned knowledge, regular barring is the black and white transverse pattern of the barred Plymouth Rocks. Irregular is seen in Dominiques, Hollands, Campines (V shaped), and Cuckoo Belgain Bearded d’Anvers Bantams. Dominiques and Barred Hollands are described as irregular, dark and light barred, stopping short of positive black and white. Ours are grey and cream. Here I don’t find another bird with barring and cream. Aside: CL barring is also due to dominate sex-linked factors like Barred Rocks, Dominiques, and Cuckoo groups). Redchicken9: Yes on the description, however my bird shows the colors of rust and lemon are specked in with the grey. The gold legbar neck hackles are pale straw, sparsely barred with gold and black. Would it seem to anyone that the gold legbar hackle description fits? Babymakes6: something to work towards, then?








Back and Shoulders: Cream and dark grey irregular barring. (Here I don’t know whether to add in more. BPS: Some chestnut permissible. I haven’t yet seen in the ASP where a color leakage is mentioned on any other bird. I suspect, it’s like ear-lobes, ASP prefers a crisp color description. Here, those that know more, please comment).
Redchicken9: Yes. OK. May have more than some chestnut, but definitely have chestnut. Babymakes6: Yes. I think we have more than enough chestnut. I like the bright color against the grey and cream, but I will be working towards a little less chestnut.

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Saddle: Hackles cream barred with dark grey edged with cream. Redchicken9: Here, like with the neck hackles, my saddle hackles once again match the description of the gold legbar, which is pale straw barred with bright gold-brown, as far as possible from black. Babymakes6: I agree, this rooster doesn't seem to have "dark grey."


(Update below)Tail: Evenly barred grey. Sickles are lighter barred to white. (Here again there is a color range in the sickles, which I’m OK with, but need to research if this is done in any other breeds). Redchicken9: Yes. Babymakes6: Yes

Tail: Main tail: Evenly barred grey.

Main and Lesser Sickles: Lighter barred to white.




Wings: (Updated language below)

Coverts: Grey barred, tipped in cream. (BPS says some chestnut permissible, once again is there a bird in ASP with color leakage? We need a reference or guideline on how to describe this and/or permit, if desirable). Redchicken9: Mine may not be fully tipped in cream. Babymakes6: yes
Primaries: Dark grey, faintly barred. Some white permissible. (Here again does the ASP style allow). Redchicken9: Primaries are dark. Babymakes6: yes
Secondaries: Dark grey, more clearly marked (as comment above). Redchicken9: here I have some color. Babymakes6: yes

Wings: Bows : Dark grey, faintly barred. Some white permissible.

Coverts: Grey barred, tipped in cream, some chestnut permissible.

Primaries: Dark grey, faintly barred. Some white permissible.

Secondaries: Dark grey, more clearly barred.

Body and Fluff: Body: (Not denoted in BPS, this part SOP describes as the color exclusive of back and breast; specifically lower sides of body, abdomen and stern).

Fluff: (SOP indicates a need for color here, referring to the soft downy feathering on the inner side of the lower thighs and on the abdomen).

Breast: Irregular dark grey and cream barring, defined in outline. Redchicken9: Yes for description. More or less for my males. Babymakes6: yes

Legs and Toes: Yellow. Redchicken9: Yes. Babymakes6: yes

Undercolor of All Sections: (BPS lacks description; SOP states it’s the color of the lower or fluff portion of feathers, not visible when the feathers are in natural position).

Please all look, I edited and I think it is now more complete. Please help in this process by providing review and comments. It is critical that we know this breed/ variety and its color. Next post, my thoughts on this.

 

[ChicKat]

I agree with the changes that were made.

 

[KPenley]

I agree with the changes that were made.

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One question: Are we sticking with yellow or horn for the beak color? It seems like most of the beaks I've seen are horn, but this could be another area for us to work towards.

 

[lonnyandrinda]

For those of us who are "anatomically challenged"

Wow that is SO helpful- thanks for sharing!

we have three hens and one gorgeous roo...raised from chicks from Greenfire Farms. we paid 100 each for the pullets, but the price is lower now. we are raising chicks and will sell fertile eggs if anyone is interested in these wonderful birds. we want to join the group and learn as much as we can about them. [email protected] in Louisiana Judy

Welcome Judy! You gave enough information I have you down on the club interest list, if you want your phone number or address in the club lists just PM them to me.

Here are two that may help-- and help me understand. They were taken in June...Y'know when you first get your camera and you go shoot everything in site.



there is a white/wheaten EE behind him -hence the gray leg in the picture.

His curtain of saddle feathers has a warmer color - and the neck hackles don't have what I'm thinking that you are referring to as a straw color.

It also shows the feathers below the wing -- (Is that the fluff? or is the fluff the stuff under the feathers?) Also shows the chestnut on the shoulders. This was before he shed his flashy white tail sickle-feathers. His crest does have barring and coloring similar to the saddle feathers curtained over the wings.



Facing the other direction - next picture on the 'roll'.

ChicKat he is so handsome!

 

[babymakes6]

Rinda, I looked that up mainly for ME, because I often get confused on the terms, but I thought others might be more willing to tackle the descriptions if they had a reference to fall back on.
I think ICE is the prettiest Legbar I have seen yet-in fact, I borrowed ChicKat's thinking-we named our two cockerels (Cream of) Wheat and (Cream) Soda!