Cream Legbars

[ChicKat]

Intertesting. If I may, I'd like to post pictures of Paula here again, in the context of this specific conversation and the photos posted above. Chick pics, and then POL pics, which were my most recent. I got her from My Pet Chicken, via Meyer - which is where I got the other two, which look very similar to each other but not really like her. (She died from Marek's about a month or so ago at roughly 35 weeks old, but I have five 10 week old pullets that I hatched out from her and Dumbledore. And a cockerel, though I have no idea which one is hers...)






Paula is on the right in this photo:

Paula is on the left tin this photo:


- Ant Farm

If my theory holds, Paula would be an example of Ml/ml+ perhaps all the CLs in the last pict.

On the left perhaps a typical CL coloration -- on on the right Robin - who I am zeroing in on as Mrs. Ml/ml+

Was doing some reading about the lavender gene which is a recessive diluter -- two copies will breed true for lavender.....but according to the reading, many subsequent generations of lavender to lavender fades the color to an unattractive 'blah' and washed out look, so an undiluted bird must be crossed in from time to time to preserve the beauty and vibrancy of the color. Thus it would almost seem as if there is a cumulative effect. I wonder if many ML genes in ancestry strengthen its expression -- almost as if there were a cumulative effect. I will even postulate that all the ultra dark chickens, powerful barring in female neck hackles and the black feather ends on the salmon breasts could indicate the presence of Ml --

Along with the two cockerels I posted for comparision -- I think these exem-plify my best surmise of examples of and an the explanation for the darkness in some CLs.

So I would say Paula is Ml/ml+

 

[Bantambird]

here are this weekend chicks. These are all the cockerels. Since there was discussion on dark chicks, here is the one I got.

he still has the white spot. He is very dark grey, with lighter underside.

 

[ChicKat]

here are this weekend chicks. These are all the cockerels. Since there was discussion on dark chicks, here is the one I got. he still has the white spot. He is very dark grey, with lighter underside.

Pretty chicks! Congratulations. One thing about a male CL is because of the double barring ones that may have the Ml (black pigment enhanching) gene may show crisper barring. But in my flock -- Unless ALL the males have had (remember the pict of my two cockerels a few pages back?) -- the Ml -- then in adult plumage -- you cannot tell the difference between them. It is the females with the darker feathering on backs and the spangles of black on the tips of some of their breast feathers that are the indicators. I wouldn't doubt in the least that there are other genes at work -- for example the females that show the pearl like dots.... probable some gene doing that......

sold this one some years back at the chicken auction down the street -- and that night my two CL females were the highest single price at the auction --

she shows both the black tips on the salmon feathers and on her wing feathers those white patches that I call pearls -- didn't like the look of them. She wasn't one that I hatched, so I have no idea her chick down....but remember that the genes will affect the adult plumage -- and sometimes there are genes duking it out to be the ones that show/influence the plumage.... Sometimes IMO it isn't quite as simple as it seems.

 

[Bantambird]

Pretty chicks! Congratulations. One thing about a male CL is because of the double barring ones that may have the Ml (black pigment enhanching) gene may show crisper barring. But in my flock -- Unless ALL the males have had (remember the pict of my two cockerels a few pages back?) -- the Ml -- then in adult plumage -- you cannot tell the difference between them. It is the females with the darker feathering on backs and the spangles of black on the tips of some of their breast feathers that are the indicators. I wouldn't doubt in the least that there are other genes at work -- for example the females that show the pearl like dots.... probable some gene doing that...... sold this one some years back at the chicken auction down the street -- and that night my two CL females were the highest single price at the auction -- she shows both the black tips on the salmon feathers and on her wing feathers those white patches that I call pearls -- didn't like the look of them. She wasn't one that I hatched, so I have no idea her chick down....but remember that the genes will affect the adult plumage -- and sometimes there are genes duking it out to be the ones that show/influence the plumage.... Sometimes IMO it isn't quite as simple as it seems.

is this an example?

 

[ChicKat]

is this an example?

I don't think it is quite the same thing.... what I call pearls is kind of centered in the feathers.... however it could be that those two are showing melanin with the dark tips on the breast feathers -- and the dark parts of neck hackles -- also the one on the left seems to have a really dark crest.

Were one ever to introduce a lavender gene....it would be very important IMO for the richness of the lavender areas to have a black-look that the lav could dilute.

 

[Bantambird]

Gee whiz now I gotta find one with melanin and pearly body feathers for a picture? I'll have to see what the weather is when I get home!

 

[ChicKat]

Gee whiz now I gotta find one with melanin and pearly body feathers for a picture? I'll have to see what the weather is when I get home!

oh no -- I think that they are two entirely different things. BTW the body/wing photo of that one I showed with the pearls, black feather tips etc. when you look close she has a lot going on -- like a patchwork quilt. You can see barring on her back fluff - and normal partridge pattern (partridge=duckwing in terms of how the Europeans reference it) (ETA I'll call it stippling) ---->so, no -- don't look for pearls plus melanin. ;o0

The point I was trying to make is that there are pearls -- and I didn't want pearls in my flock. lol

 

[Bantambird]

Don't worry! I'm just attempting to stimulate more enlightening conversation about the birds we are all raising. Between 3 little kids and a mind numbing job, I can use the adult conversation. I plan on posting my pullets tonight if the weather cooperates and gives good natural light.

 

[ChicKat]

Don't worry! I'm just attempting to stimulate more enlightening conversation about the birds we are all raising. Between 3 little kids and a mind numbing job, I can use the adult conversation. I plan on posting my pullets tonight if the weather cooperates and gives good natural light.

Can't wait to see the picts. hope the weather cooperates. It is so so so difficult to photo chickens (unless someone holds them.) ;O)

 

[mellcrowl]

I'm hoping to pick up the pair this weekend. Might actually be able to get a trio as they have 2 pairs right now. Just not wanting two roos. The parents are out of GFF lines which is very exciting.