Cream Legbars

[Bantambird]

Has anyone figured out which progenitor contributed to the crest/egg color? I saw some pictures of Kiri Kiri Rapanui hens, and they look a heck of a lot like cream Legbar hens in type, especially the crest.

 

[rottlady]

egg color was the Araucana and apparently the cresting is too, but I did not know Araucana's ever had crests.....

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[Bantambird]

Kiri Kiri are found in South America, in the southern and central native american regions, as well as Easter island

 

[rottlady]

That could indeed be the crested blue egg laying "Araucana" that was brought to England from Chili!

wonder if there are any in the states?

 

[OneMountainAcres]

I asked a few days ago but it must've been overlooked. What is a double cream cockerel? I hatched one that liked a lot like the picture about 6 weeks ago. Only his head still has the light colored fluff so I was still able to pick him out and mark which one he is but is it something special? Should he be a definite keeper?

 

[Bantambird]

Well, a male that shows cream and not gold possesses 2 copies of the Cream gene, since cream is recessive. I guess I am hoping that a light colored cockerel that stands out as much lighter than the others I have bred might just be the Cream color I am looking for. Double cream is, I suppose, a misnomer as all cream colored cocks are double recessive cream... I was, and am, very excited! And my excitement may have caused improper grammar.... But I am no geneticist.

 

[ChicKat]

I asked a few days ago but it must've been overlooked. What is a double cream cockerel? I hatched one that liked a lot like the picture about 6 weeks ago. Only his head still has the light colored fluff so I was still able to pick him out and mark which one he is but is it something special? Should he be a definite keeper?

Well, a male that shows cream and not gold possesses 2 copies of the Cream gene, since cream is recessive. I guess I am hoping that a light colored cockerel that stands out as much lighter than the others I have bred might just be the Cream color I am looking for. Double cream is, I suppose, a misnomer as all cream colored cocks are double recessive cream... I was, and am, very excited! And my excitement may have caused improper grammar.... But I am no geneticist.

Bantambird got it on the nose.... to be cream the bird carries two copies of the recessive gene that dilutes gold. (or inhibits gold - if that makes it easier to remember that the gene symbol used is lower-case 'ig'.) Only with two copies would you know it was there, as I understand the science of genetics. -- So all the cream legbars have gold and the gold inhibitor 'ig'.

 

[All Ball]

That could indeed be the crested blue egg laying "Araucana" that was brought to England from Chili! wonder if there are any in the states?

BYC also has a thread on mapuche or mapuche huastec birds from Chile, also crested, but not as similar as these Kiri kiris. I'm assuming club members may know more about which "Chilean bird" Punnett was working with possibly...?

 

[sol2go]

here are this weekend chicks. These are all the cockerels. Since there was discussion on dark chicks, here is the one I got. he still has the white spot. He is very dark grey, with lighter underside.

Hi, your cockerels appear to run the full range of down color that I have seen.
However, the darkest cockerel is darker/more melanized than any I have hatched or seen pics of.
Thanks for posting.

 

[sol2go]

Well, a male that shows cream and not gold possesses 2 copies of the Cream gene, since cream is recessive. I guess I am hoping that a light colored cockerel that stands out as much lighter than the others I have bred might just be the Cream color I am looking for. Double cream is, I suppose, a misnomer as all cream colored cocks are double recessive cream... I was, and am, very excited! And my excitement may have caused improper grammar.... But I am no geneticist.

I may have contributed to the double for cream short cut, which is more accurately referred to as homozygous for cream.
I often say split for cream, which would mean one copy of cream, or heterozygous for cream.

Since cream is an inhibitor of gold, as ChicKat mentioned, there may be a yet more specific nomenclature for that?