Cream Legbars

[SallyinIndiana]

Quote: Wonderful layout for breeding pens. What are you thinking of doing for the nesting boxes?

 

[HaplessRunner]

This is what we did with our 25' x 10'. The coop already had the frame spaced at 4 feet a part so to make things easy we made our pens 4 feet wide when we had it converted into separate pens. It was designed to house 500 hen, free range flocks, for commercial egg but we had it divided up into five (5) 4'x10' pens, a storage room, and platform on the end to put 50 gallon water drums to attach automatic waterers to. One thing I like about this is that it has an Axel with car tiers that attach on the end by the storage room and water barrels and hitch on the other end that goes over the ball of my truck making this one big chicken tractor. We don't have enough land to rotate its location on a weekly basic like the free range commercial flocks do, but we do rotate every 6 months.


Front View of unfinished coop


Back View of Unfinished coop


Inside view of coop.


Front of coop with doors open.

What a wonderful setup!! I am envious. I have five acres and portable electric netting that would accommodate this arrangement.

 

[HaplessRunner]

Awesome setup! I can't tell what is the thing sticking out next to each door? With the move we are making big plans for a coop. We are thinking of using a setup like this:




This would allow us to make an isle in the middle with 4 coops under the carport awning on each side (split by the pole dividers) with runs extending outwards, and have the shed area in the back for feed and supplies. We will still use our chicken tractors, etc, but these will be the secure pens for the $$$ chickens. We hope to have two to three CL pens, one to two Isbar pens plus we have ordered Jubilee Orpingtons, Croad Langshans, Exchequer Leghorns, and will have some Barnevelders, too all hopefully running next spring! Exciting stuff!

Yet, another great plan and set up in the works!

 

[dretd]

If I am correct, I have a young CCLxEE cockerel and two CCLxRIR pullets. If there had been more that hatched of opposite sex, then a conclusion could have been drawn regarding sex linking versus autosexing. The conclusion I am leaning toward is the transmission of autosexing charateristics given the distinctive white spot on the head of what I believe is a young cockerel given feather sexing confirmation. Likewise, I am leaning to the autosexing characteristics of chipmunk stripes in what I believe are two pullets given feather sexing confirmation.

It would have been nice to have more survive incubation. I guess I will have to try to hatch some more. My interests here are both practical and academic (if you will). The practical was taking the heat off my young pullets while they were still maturing. The academic is trying determine if it is possible to transmit the autosexing charateristics through selective (in the future) cross breeding.

If there are others with more knowledge and experience, please weigh in. I truly am a novice in this.

Hi HaplessRunner. Your EE is a really pretty girl!

If I am understanding things correctly, you are positing that your CCLxEE/RR are sex linked or autosexing and that you think that the one with the spot is a boy and the other two without are girls. In the pictures you have posted they all are very young and too early to sex by traditional means. Can I assume that these are the latest pictures and they are still pretty young? How old are they? Were the hens exposed to any other roos in the month before you set eggs?

I was convinced last year that I had a couple of pullets based on some downs coloration in the mixed-breed chicks but alas they all turned out to be roos. If you could clarify their ages etc that would be great. Also update pictures as they mature to see if you are correct!

 

[ChicKat]

Thanks for the input, Kathy.

I love advice and opinions, especially before embarking on something expensive and permanent!

Maybe our barn/coop building will provide content for a future article in a Cream Legbar Club newsletter.

Looking forward to that article!! Maybe you can write-it-as-you-go -- So when your setup is done, your article will be easily done -- just a few tweaks and off to the newsletter!!

 

[ChicKat]

Ahem. I hereby request article submissions to the Cream Legbar Club Newsletter. Doesn't have to be done by an expert (the building or the writing!). Illustrations need not be formal. Just show us what works for you.

CLC Newsletter editor Anne

X2 Bravo Anne, make sure it gets in there.

 

[ChicKat]

GaryDean26 and lonnyandrinda -

Fabulous chicken pen ideas.... really look great and will be highly functional.

 

[ChicKat]

Just incase someone has missed this post I did awhile back, it shows some of the discussion going on in the UK last year in August.

http://www.thepoultrygarden.com/phpbb/viewtopic.php?f=43&t=15999

Cream Legbars - which one?

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Cream Legbars - which one?

by Crepe Lady » August 3rd, 2012, 12:47 pm
Have 2 brothers and a sister which look fairly good to breed from. Do you agree? If so, which male is best do you think? One has a straighter comb but a bit more gold - the other has a slight kink in the comb but he has less gold on him at the mo. Any good?

This is all 3

First male

Second male

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Re: Cream Legbars - which one?

by Wilt » August 3rd, 2012, 1:50 pm
They all have really good potential all really good. If it is at all possible keep them as long as you can to see which has the straightest comb as they mature. They should get a bit more colour on their coverts which would not be a bad thing. They have good colour in the tails, and at this point I would say it is difficult (from photos) to pick the best. No.1 appears to have the fuller crest type leg colour feather colour, all appear good, so if you can wait I'm sure you would find a good home for any spare.

But more chestnut and straighter comb would be my pick as they stand now
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Re: Cream Legbars - which one?

by Crepe Lady » August 3rd, 2012, 2:12 pm
Thats lovely to know, Wilt. Thanks. I wont be breeding from them til next year so by then it should be a bit clearer. I will keep both on your advice.

Im getting paranoid about gold in the CLBs after joining a FB group dedicated to keeping breed standard. Seems most of the CLBs in this country have too much gold in them and they are trying to get back to the original colour standard, which is good but I just worry about diminishing the gene pool.
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Re: Cream Legbars - which one?

by Wilt » August 3rd, 2012, 2:21 pm
Yeh we've been down that route and my boy at the moment (Bred from Jilly Potter cock bird) does not have enough chestnut/gold in him, but as Hen-Gen pointed out this is the Autosomal red that gives the girlies the lovely salmon chests, so les and less chestnut the less the salmon chests. If we were to carry on the way we were going with less and less AR in the cock's we might end up having double mating with colourful
cock birds to get bright salmon chested pullets and dark or no colour chested hens to cut down the chestnut in the cocks.

This might be the sort of cock colour we should be looking for?

But not this!!!!

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Re: Cream Legbars - which one?

by Crepe Lady » August 3rd, 2012, 2:48 pm
Your birds look beautiful, Wilt! How I understand it is that they dont want the gold in the hackle and crests and they want the chests to be a pale salmon, not dark - have a look herehttp://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/332175963534766/. All very confusing

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Re: Cream Legbars - which one?

by Wilt » August 3rd, 2012, 4:02 pm
If the breeder group had the views of Jilly Potter or Henwife, or someone who had been breeding them for any length of time then it would be a worth while exercise. I don't know how long this Facebook breeder group has been going, but I would sooner talk and listen to the two ladies I have mentioned, who have been breeding and persevering with the breed for a good bit more than four or so years. Setting up a breeding group does not make it gospel I'm afraid. If it does the breed a service that's all well and good, but it appears to be about excluding people who have been breeding them for a long time. Before the cotswold legbar came to ruin it. When egg and bird size were the main problems. But including people who don't breed them.
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Re: Cream Legbars - which one?

by Crepe Lady » August 4th, 2012, 1:01 pm
Yep, great! I'll stop the worrying and get on with it then!
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Re: Cream Legbars - which one?

by Wilt » August 6th, 2012, 11:00 am

Crepe Lady wrote:Your birds look beautiful, Wilt! How I understand it is that they dont want the gold in the hackle and crests and they want the chests to be a pale salmon, not dark - have a look herehttp://www.facebook.com/#!/groups/332175963534766/. All very confusing

someone is trying to make a personal preference as a standard, but that would have to go through the PCGB to get it changed. My my view is, I find any extra bit of colour quite attractive, and if on the tips of the crest (Which is where is usually manifests itself, and is within the criteria set in the standard) it looks quite punky, and as I said quite attractive. I have had some pullets with mainly cream crest's with a small amount of grey in them, and once again I find these (Blondies) more attractive than the darker, mainly grey crest's. But the standard does not give directions to percentages of each colour in the crest, so it is down to the judge on the day which he likes best, which is the same with any breed. So I suppose these "discussion groups" have their way of pointing computer literate judges in the direction of personal preference, without having to bother the standards committee. Then people will want to buy the eggs of the winning birds, whether those eggs are from the breeding group/line that created the show winners is another thing!!
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Re: Cream Legbars - which one?

by Crepe Lady » August 6th, 2012, 12:39 pm
Words of wisdom as usual, Wilt. Thanks for that

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In the bird that Wilt suggests may be the cock color that Cream Legbar Breeders are looking for --
- notice that the Wing Bays - are white (have I got it right GaryDean26?) And wasn't THAT one of
the sign posts for correct coloration.

And while I"m stirring up the pot and causing trouble. (DID I borrow that phrase from TheTROPIX?) - could I respectfully request that '
some enterprising individual will start another thread dedicated to the CL hybrids? It is interesting to see the results of test pairings -- but I think
it can also be confusing for someone who is coming here in search of information about Cream Legbars. Perhaps put a link to your other thread
in here.....but we have more non-Cream Legbars in here of late than Cream Legbars. We are trying to help support and establish this breed.
Just my request folks....

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Whoops - sorry -- it isn't this thread it is the other thread for Legbars..... or at a minimum if you are putting in hybrid photos -- then please mark in BIG BOLD letters that they are hybrids and not Cream Legbars..... pretty please.

 

[HaplessRunner]

Hi HaplessRunner. Your EE is a really pretty girl!

If I am understanding things correctly, you are positing that your CCLxEE/RR are sex linked or autosexing and that you think that the one with the spot is a boy and the other two without are girls. In the pictures you have posted they all are very young and too early to sex by traditional means. Can I assume that these are the latest pictures and they are still pretty young? How old are they? Were the hens exposed to any other roos in the month before you set eggs?

I was convinced last year that I had a couple of pullets based on some downs coloration in the mixed-breed chicks but alas they all turned out to be roos. If you could clarify their ages etc that would be great. Also update pictures as they mature to see if you are correct!

These pictures are the latest they are one week old today. Certainly they are too young for traditional means, comb reddening, to sex. But by use of wing feather sexing within the first day of hatching, the CCLxEE indicated male and the other two CCLxRIR indicated female. This indication aligned with the head spot on the "boy" and the chipmunk stripes on the "girls".

As far as hen exposure to other roosters, this pen contained 3 CCL roosters with no chance for any other interlopers. The fence is 6 feet high. And, yes, I will be following their development closely. Pictures will be forthcoming.

 

[HaplessRunner]

And while I"m stirring up the pot and causing trouble. (DID I borrow that phrase from TheTROPIX?) - could I respectfully request that '

some enterprising individual will start another thread dedicated to the CL hybrids? It is interesting to see the results of test pairings -- but I think
it can also be confusing for someone who is coming here in search of information about Cream Legbars. Perhaps put a link to your other thread
in here.....but we have more non-Cream Legbars in here of late than Cream Legbars. We are trying to help support and establish this breed.
Just my request folks....

Whoops - sorry -- it isn't this thread it is the other thread for Legbars..... or at a minimum if you are putting in hybrid photos -- then please mark in BIG BOLD letters that they are hybrids and not Cream Legbars..... pretty please.


I have honored your request. Here is a new thread for Cream Legbar Hybrids.

https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/825092/cream-legbar-hybrid-thread