Cream Legbars

[ChicKat]

Thanks. The hackles on your boy are very interesting also. It is amazing to see how our chickens change all the way even in adulthood. I do see now why some breeders wait until their birds are 2 years old to breed them. It makes very much sense to me now. Seeing how at 1 and 2 years of age they are still changing, I suppose we can not be 100% positive on some qualities that we are breeding forward or not if we breed to young.

I think you have already posted a pic of this male but could you post another? Is he molting or just changing color? Id love to also see him again once he finishes his color change(if/when he finishes).

He is definitely molting. I believe that the coloration change in his case is not genetic at all, but it is due to sun exposure. I have a post elsewhere - where I show the difference in hackle feathers during molt of a bird in South Africa. Big difference. In APA SOP it does talk about whites getting 'brassy' in the sun..and it is hard to tell what is causing the yellowing but I think it is sun. In my 1938 APA SOP -- btw - it defines 'cream' in the technical descriptions as 'light yellow'. Subsequently they have added much more wording to the definition.

Here is a picture from today--- I let them out of the pen and used long lens.....


can you see those long quills? ouch!

Here is something that for years I have been thinking - if the correct color for CREAM is the color of light butter -- he is loosing cream and getting in non-cream. The new growth doesn't resemble butter IMO.

Here is my female that I have posted molt tail pictures of -- It shows how short a growth time the pigmentin the darkest feathers was turned off to make the white bars.

 

[Scatterknit]

Thanks! I can push the comb in place - it just doesn't stay in place. So maybe it will straighten up - or not. Trial and error I guess. He's a pretty light gray now so I'll wait to see what his color looks like when he's more grown to decide if I want to breed him. He's so cute - I'm kind of fond of him now. I'd hate to send McDreamy to the soup pot.

 

[Brada Puhi]

Aloha kākou,

Some of the "British Type" of birds are very creamy and everyone oohs and aaahs over them, but I feel that the different parts are not defined like the original lines in the US. Sure there was plenty of gold going around but once we developed roosters that had cream hackles and cream saddles, good barring and all the rest, I think they look very nice. The brown part is more defined, whereas the brown part in British roosters is more mixed with cream and therefore is less defined, and I would prefer a roo with more defined parts than a pure cream all around bird. Do you know what I mean?

I donʻt mean offense to the British birds, just that some of the totally cream roosters that I saw on Facebook donʻt look as nice as ours. Cream is not everything.

Shoots den, Puhi

 

[ChicKat]

Aloha kākou,

Some of the "British Type" of birds are very creamy and everyone oohs and aaahs over them, but I feel that the different parts are not defined like the original lines in the US. Sure there was plenty of gold going around but once we developed roosters that had cream hackles and cream saddles, good barring and all the rest, I think they look very nice. The brown part is more defined, whereas the brown part in British roosters is more mixed with cream and therefore is less defined, and I would prefer a roo with more defined parts than a pure cream all around bird. Do you know what I mean?

I donʻt mean offense to the British birds, just that some of the totally cream roosters that I saw on Facebook donʻt look as nice as ours. Cream is not everything.

Shoots den, Puhi

Hi Puhi,

I'm thinking I'm in agreement with you - if I understand correctly. And I wonder if we are thinking of the same thing when you say brown parts? -- It would be nice if we could get to the bottom of it, but I doubt that will ever happen. Thanks for posting your thoughts - I guess that we need to face it we are still a work in progress. :O)

 

[ChicKat]

Thanks! I can push the comb in place - it just doesn't stay in place. So maybe it will straighten up - or not. Trial and error I guess. He's a pretty light gray now so I'll wait to see what his color looks like when he's more grown to decide if I want to breed him. He's so cute - I'm kind of fond of him now. I'd hate to send McDreamy to the soup pot.

I did find a pic of the rooster who's comb straightened up. He was adolescent and his comb and crest were a mess....




earlier above - later below





He was never fully straight, and he developed a bad temperament, also very badly squirrel tailed...so he was never going to be considered as a breeder...but he does exemplify going from a completely flopped comb to a more upright comb.....so it can happen.
:O)

 

[cynstaub]

I have 6 CL chicks on their way.
4 girls/2 boys. Looking forward to joining in the conversation here.

 

[Ashdoes]

Anyone hatch out an extremely small CL girl? From our very last hatch, I have a girl that is staying super small. If there were bantam CLs, I'd say she was one. We aren't breeding anymore, so it's not a huge issue, I was just wondering.

 

[sol2go]

I have 6 CL chicks on their way.
4 girls/2 boys. Looking forward to joining in the conversation here.

HI!
I'm also in SoCal.

 

[cynstaub]

HI!
I'm also in SoCal.

Nice!
It's finally fall here!

 

[chicken pickin]

Anyone hatch out an extremely small CL girl? From our very last hatch, I have a girl that is staying super small. If there were bantam CLs, I'd say she was one. We aren't breeding anymore, so it's not a huge issue, I was just wondering.

I hatched one female that stayed teeny tiny for a very long time. I ended up separating her from her hatch mates and put her with younger chicks. She stayed small for a while but she eventually caught up and is norrmal size now.