Cream Legbars

[estamets]

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Thanks for the link!

 

[ChicKat]

Quote: You're welcome -- isn't it fantastic. :O)

 

[nicalandia]

You're welcome -- isn't it fantastic. :O)

I post something very relevant to this thread and it gets poluted and burried by these Friendly Posts? Science is not Friendly my friends, learn while you have the chance, if not you are doom to repeat the cycle

its not the same, the ones in wyandottes are Pg/Pg Ml/Ml Co/Co which istands for Pg(Dominant Pattern Gene) Ml(Dominant Melanotic) and Co(Dominant Columbian Restricted)

Possiblity of working on a laced legbar? yes very possible,

Cream Legbar x Silver Laced Cochin from chicken pickin











Originally Posted by BuffyBugSlayer

Ok, so from what I've been reading on lacing it sounds like lacing is pattern + melonizers so probably missing the pattern genes in the cream legbars. I realize this is a really basic description so if anyone wants to correct me please feel free!

as I said before, Lacing is Pg/Pg Ml/Ml Co/Co, the Legbars you see with incomplete lacing is due to lack of Columbian restrictor, I willing to bet they have Melanotic and Pg, Pg on itself and melanotic will do that on the e+ background, on the eb background you would have the Pencilled pattern found on wyandottes, but since its e+ the effect is different

 

[estamets]

I post something very relevant to this thread and it gets poluted and burried by these Friendly Posts? Science is not Friendly my friends, learn while you have the chance, if not you are doom to repeat the cycle

...and community is what gets people excited about the science. Friendliness is not irrelevant, my friend; it is what allows us to learn from one another.

I was going to post that these Cream Legbar x Silver Laced Cochins are absolutely gorgeous! I would love to see someone working on a laced CL project.

 

[BuffyBugSlayer]

Thank you for the links nicalandia and chickat. It is already a "long cold winter" and I have some learning to do and plenty of indoor time to do it!

 

[BuffyBugSlayer]

as I said before, Lacing is Pg/Pg Ml/Ml Co/Co, the Legbars you see with incomplete lacing is due to lack of Columbian restrictor, I willing to bet they have Melanotic and Pg, Pg on itself and melanotic will do that on the e+ background, on the eb background you would have the Pencilled pattern found on wyandottes, but since its e+ the effect is different

Ok, bear with me...legbars do have Pg (which is the pattern, yes?) and they have the MI (which is the melanizer or the black, yes?). The Columbian restrictor is not present in a legbar and would only be able to be introduced through another breed? Trying to stumble through this!

 

[KPenley]

Sorry to interrupt the pattern discussion! I'd love to know how to turn down the Melanotic to avoid the tipping in the breast. I'm still trying to salvage a bit of my original lines.

But is anyone planning on bringing their Cream Legbars to Nationals In Knoxville? I'm going to be printing out some SOPs to pin to cages and wondered if I should bring extras??? Also, a quick reminder if it's your first time to cross state lines for a show: you need to either be NPIP certified and fill out a movement form from your state, or have an ICVI certificate from a private veterinarian. Either way you also need a Pullorum test within 30 days of the show. Hope to see you there December 6th and 7th!

 

[chambe94]

I post something very relevant to this thread and it gets poluted and burried by these Friendly Posts? Science is not Friendly my friends, learn while you have the chance, if not you are doom to repeat the cycle

I didn't realize this was the Cream Legbars -Genetics Only post.  Cut the attitude a little and people might listen to you more often. Also those of us recently joining in aren't going to go back and read 5,838 posts just to find out what pearls of wisdom you may have left us in the past. You ARE doomed to repeat yourself if you want to participate in an entry-level discussion, it comes with the territory, this isn't a scientific forum.

I greatly appreciate your knowledge of color genetics, but you don't need to keep talking to us all like we are stupid.  Some of even have degrees in genetics, but we don't run around being condescending and rude.

 

[chambe94]

Sorry to interrupt the pattern discussion! I'd love to know how to turn down the Melanotic to avoid the tipping in the breast. I'm still trying to salvage a bit of my original lines.

Although we know about the major MI group, there appear to be lots of melanizers that are modifier genes. SO if you can pick birds with less melanin and use them for breeding, over time you should be able to weed out the excessive modifiers in your gene pool. Especially focus on getting the least melanin in the breast feathers, since certain modifiers seem to work more on one part of the body vs. the other (crest, hackles, etc).

Any pics of ones you are having trouble with? That might give a clue to any other genes you are fighting.

 

[KPenley]

Although we know about the major MI group, there appear to be lots of melanizers that are modifier genes.  SO if you can pick birds with less melanin and use them for breeding, over time you should be able to weed out the excessive modifiers in your gene pool.  Especially focus on getting the least melanin in the breast feathers, since certain modifiers seem to work more on one part of the body vs. the other (crest, hackles, etc).

Any pics of ones you are having trouble with?  That might give a clue to any other genes you are fighting.

Thank you so much! It's good to hear that I'm on the right track. I'll take a picture of this hen's breast feathers tomorrow, as all I have is this pic of her back.