Cream Legbars

[HaplessRunner]

WIth respect to my cream legbar hatching eggs, yes I candled at 7, 14, & day 18. Originally, I had 8 eggs but one stopped developing by the day 7 candling. The eggtopsey indicated a bloody ring so this was a good call.

Regarding my incubators, I had originally used the BYC incubator picture page to identify some ideas for an incubator. I did build a styrofaom cooler incubator and ran it enough to stabilize but I was not happy with the size (I will use this one as a hatcher). So while trying to find a larger cooler to use to build another, it became apparent that the investment would amount to an already constructed model. So I purchased a Farm Innovators 4200 with a fan & accessories. I am happy to say that I did not trust the installed thermonmeter & hygrometer. I used a digital indoor device and a wireless sensor to measure temperature and humidity. Both had a good correlation so I felt comfortable.

In addition to the cream legbars in lock down, I have:

15 Swedish flower hen eggs, 8 blue wheaten ameraucana eggs, and 9 EO (marraduna basques) eggs in the incubator at day 12.

 

[1muttsfan]

you are confusing Crele with Cuckoo.

Exactly right - thanks so much for the very thorough explanation

 

[ChicKat]

We had three boys from a hatch last year. I've got that down to one now and I would love to add him to our hens and get some hatching eggs this spring and summer. But will the hens take to him. They have seen him everyday for the last 6 months through wire. The hens are various ages but all older than him.
What would be the best way to add him?
This photo is from about a month ago.

I quite like your cockerel, he looks very sturdy and healthy, He has nice yellow legs and beak, and a nice straight comb. It would be very interesting to see what the results of a pairing with your hens would be. Is your goal to have nice healthy birds, or do you want to go into showing at competitions?

Increasingly I'm thinking I want those healthy birds, that are this beautiful, and I want blue eggs. I'm presently more interested in type that coloration. I particularly like the comb and wattles on this rooster, not too big, but still impressive. If he hatched from a nice blue color egg and if he has a good disposition, is healthy and nice sized, he would be a good candidate. Oh, also had significant autosexing traits. Is he related to your pretty hens or not? Seems to me that there is more focus on just coloration than on the whole package....

 

[ChicKat]

WIth respect to my cream legbar hatching eggs, yes I candled at 7, 14, & day 18. Originally, I had 8 eggs but one stopped developing by the day 7 candling. The eggtopsey indicated a bloody ring so this was a good call.

Regarding my incubators, I had originally used the BYC incubator picture page to identify some ideas for an incubator. I did build a styrofaom cooler incubator and ran it enough to stabilize but I was not happy with the size (I will use this one as a hatcher). So while trying to find a larger cooler to use to build another, it became apparent that the investment would amount to an already constructed model. So I purchased a Farm Innovators 4200 with a fan & accessories. I am happy to say that I did not trust the installed thermonmeter & hygrometer. I used a digital indoor device and a wireless sensor to measure temperature and humidity. Both had a good correlation so I felt comfortable.

In addition to the cream legbars in lock down, I have:

15 Swedish flower hen eggs, 8 blue wheaten ameraucana eggs, and 9 EO (marraduna basques) eggs in the incubator at day 12.

You must be so EXCITED with the wonderful flock about to hatch..... Good luck -- Hope you are soon overflowing with all those beautuful chicks!!

 

[nicalandia]

Exactly right - thanks so much for the very thorough explanation

thats correct.

why some crele are based on eb(brown) instead of wildtype e+(like CCL)?
because some breeds lack the e+(wildtype e allel) in their genome. but they have eb instead, which males look identical to wildtype and females also look identical EXCEPT they lack the salmon breast.

crele breeds with eb instead of e+

Crele Penedesenca
Crele Cochin
Crele chantecler

 

[nicalandia]

Exactly right - thanks so much for the very thorough explanation

thats correct.

why some crele are based on eb(brown) instead of wildtype e+(like CCL)?
because some breeds lack the e+(wildtype e allel) in their genome. but they have eb instead, which males look identical to wildtype and females also look identical EXCEPT they lack the salmon breast.

crele breeds with eb instead of e+

Crele Penedesenca
Crele Cochin
Crele chantecler

 

[1muttsfan]

Color can be very distracting since it is so obvious. Many, including myself, think type is much more important than color when trying to establish a breed from a limited number of individuals. The more chicks there are hatched, the larger the pool of candidates to select further breeding stock, so it is good to see so many people here working towards breeding these birds. If we could have people post pictures of their stock to get some opinions on what is best kept and used for breeding, keeping type firmly in mind, we should see a big improvement within a few generations - then color can be addressed in a more particular way. We do need to make sure that the cream coloring does not fall by the wayside, though. I also think selecting for good egg laying, and blue eggs, is nescessary right from the beginning, although may be harder to do for some with more birds.

 

[LONDON HENS]

I quite like your cockerel, he looks very sturdy and healthy, He has nice yellow legs and beak, and a nice straight comb. It would be very interesting to see what the results of a pairing with your hens would be. Is your goal to have nice healthy birds, or do you want to go into showing at competitions?

Increasingly I'm thinking I want those healthy birds, that are this beautiful, and I want blue eggs. I'm presently more interested in type that coloration. I particularly like the comb and wattles on this rooster, not too big, but still impressive. If he hatched from a nice blue color egg and if he has a good disposition, is healthy and nice sized, he would be a good candidate. Oh, also had significant autosexing traits. Is he related to your pretty hens or not? Seems to me that there is more focus on just coloration than on the whole package....

Hi ChicKat
Yes, I am going for nice healthy birds. Not ready to go into the showing side of things yet but hopefully one day when I know enough about chickens I would love to.
[FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]Yes he is related to the two hens Ive uploaded photos of on this thread, they hatched together. But I wouldn't be wanting to hatch any from them being related. More my other older birds who I would love to breed from.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]I let them all out today in the garden with a pile of veg and corn for them to share and there was no fighting.... until the dominant hen took him on but to my surprise the young cockerel won.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]There was no fighting with any of the other hens and he has been matting with them for most of the day. (apart from the previous dominant hen who has stayed away all day)[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]I know he is young but when should I start collecting eggs to hatch?? how long should I leave it?[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]I have a lot to learn especially when I see some of the complicated genetics being talked about on this thread! [/FONT]

 

[KPenley]

Hi ChicKat
Yes, I am going for nice healthy birds. Not ready to go into the showing side of things yet but hopefully one day when I know enough about chickens I would love to.
[FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]Yes he is related to the two hens Ive uploaded photos of on this thread, they hatched together. But I wouldn't be wanting to hatch any from them being related. More my other older birds who I would love to breed from.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]I let them all out today in the garden with a pile of veg and corn for them to share and there was no fighting.... until the dominant hen took him on but to my surprise the young cockerel won.[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]There was no fighting with any of the other hens and he has been matting with them for most of the day. (apart from the previous dominant hen who has stayed away all day)[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]I know he is young but when should I start collecting eggs to hatch?? how long should I leave it?[/FONT]
[FONT=arial, helvetica, clean, sans-serif]I have a lot to learn especially when I see some of the complicated genetics being talked about on this thread! [/FONT]

It seems like most breeders with few birds collect eggs soon after POL to preserve the bloodlines, then wait until 10-12 months for regular breeding. Breeders with plenty of stock (ie back up rooster and multigenerations) wait until the 10-12 month point to start collecting hatching eggs.

 

[nicalandia]

If we could have people post pictures of their stock to get some opinions on what is best kept and used for breeding, .

Dragonoxeweasel have the best colored birds I've seen so far

This was taken last week.
Hazel and Opal (the more correct girl) were hatched 8/2/12.