Cream Legbars

[nicalandia]

I wish I had some chick pics of Walter but I bought him when he was 6 weeks old. So here he is at 7 weeks and 7 months.

Outstanding speciments

 

[normanack]

Crele is a Phenotype(how the bird looks) describing a bird(usually male) of the following genotype(genetic make up) genetically barred(genetically Barred not phenotypically Barred like Barred Rocks) gold duckwing bird usually with the following genotype B/B(double barred male's color are much lighter than single barred males) s+/s+(recessive sex linked gold) e+/e+(wildtpe e allele found on Red Jungle Fowl, while this is true for most breeds, some crele are based on the eb brown e allele like the crele penedesenca)

Not arguing with you, just thought this other discussion was interesting, particularly the etymology of the word crele (yes, I was an English major, not a science major).

 

[normanack]

. . . . If we could have people post pictures of their stock to get some opinions on what is best kept and used for breeding, keeping type firmly in mind, we should see a big improvement within a few generations - then color can be addressed in a more particular way. We do need to make sure that the cream coloring does not fall by the wayside, though. I also think selecting for good egg laying, and blue eggs, is nescessary right from the beginning, although may be harder to do for some with more birds.

I'd very much like an analysis of type of people's birds. Could the more experienced among us, and Walt if he's willing, give some pointers for posing the birds and taking pictures so that it's easier to see type? Would a video be more useful than pictures?

I'll have to practice handling my chickens. They are friendly but not fond of being picked up or held. Tips on how to show-pose a chicken would also be helpful. I.e. not "Chase the bird until you corner him. Make a grab. Repeat until one or the other of you is too exhausted to continue. Grip chicken firmly and get someone to take a picture that shows more than your arm across the bird."

 

[nicalandia]

Not arguing with you, just thought this other discussion was interesting, particularly the etymology of the word crele

True. but it can get very heavy on genetic terms

 

[DragonOxeWeasel]

Outstanding speciments

Thank you! Where do you feel my birds faults are? Please be honest! I'm still learning and would love some informed opinions!

-Sydney

 

[normanack]

True. but it can get very heavy on genetic terms

It seems like it should be so simple -- get a list of gene abbreviations, assign them as dominant or recessive, and voila, you've got your chicken perfectly genetically defined.

But wait, there's more . . . .

E alleles, sex-linkage, traits affected by more than one gene, proximity to other genes, genotypes and phenotypes, pattern genes, gray/lavender/blue (what's the difference?), brown vs. dun vs. chocolate, lemon vs. cream vs. dilute whatever, heck, why not call it Palomino and be done with it? Eek!

;-)

 

[texas75563]

Just arrived, 4 females and 1 male. 3 weeks of age.

 

[nicalandia]

Thank you! Where do you feel my birds faults are? Please be honest! I'm still learning and would love some informed opinions!

-Sydney

again, Oustanding Speciments, the best colored birds I've seen so far in this forum(USA birds)

I would work on the Crest, but thats it. they are near perfect..

just take a look at below birds(first 2 birds are from the UK and correct speciments, the secon 2 birds are from GFF, 2012 and 2013 stock) and you will see how lucky you are in having such birds..

source https://sites.google.com/site/creamlegbarsonline/home)

now lets take a look at Green Fire Farms 2012 and 2013 stock










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[nicalandia]

It seems like it should be so simple -- get a list of gene abbreviations, assign them as dominant or recessive, and voila, you've got your chicken perfectly genetically defined.

But wait, there's more . . . .

E alleles, sex-linkage, traits affected by more than one gene, proximity to other genes, genotypes and phenotypes, pattern genes, gray/lavender/blue (what's the difference?), brown vs. dun vs. chocolate, lemon vs. cream vs. dilute whatever, heck, why not call it Palomino and be done with it? Eek!

;-)

yeah.. genetics can be very confusing..

 

[1muttsfan]

I think it would be particularly helpful when giving a critique on birds to go over all the good and bad points, such as tail carriage, shape of body, width of tail, stance, comb size and shape, instead of just saying they have good color. Maybe a direct comparison of 2 birds showing a particular problem and a better example.