Cream Legbars

[GaryDean26]

I also like the look of the CL to have a little more color, not too much though. But are we trying to stay away from that. They are supposed to be just cream right in the saddle and hackles is that correct. I see a lot of people saying they like the color of some of the more colorful CLs and give those people lots of encouragement that the roosters are good. So I get confused as to what we are working towards. Sorry Im new to trying to follow the SOP and still learning. Is a little color ok and allowed or are they supposed to be JUST cream.

Progress is good... backsliding is bad.

Some people are 3+ generation into breeding the Cream Legbar. Most of them started out with birds that major weaknesses in multiple areas They work through these weakness by hatching as many chicks as they could and selecting the best ones to move foward with. The best guide of what we are working towards is the British Standard of the Cream Legbar.

Some people are just getting started and may not have access to more than a few flock members to choose from for breeding. If their birds have more colors than a cream legbar is supposed to have but over all has a lot fewer weaknesses than the birds that other had to start with 2-3 generation ago then they will be encouraged that thier birds are good birds to start with. Not because they fit the standard of perfection, but because we have prooved that with birds of their quality that great improovments can be achieved in the first few generation that will result in offspring that are continually moving closer to the Standard of Perfection.

The standard of perfection is like poetry with 10 tiers of symbolism to me in that every time I read it I find new dirrection and understand that I didn't catch before. Discussion on the SOP has greatly excelorated that discovery processes for me, but we often get off on tangents to understand one are of the SOP better forget who that point has to work with other points of the SOP which can bring us to incorect conclusons in our discussions. So, to keep on track I have to make many, many, Many trips back to the SOP for clarification.

 

[TherryChicken]

I also like the look of the CL to have a little more color, not too much though. But are we trying to stay away from that. They are supposed to be just cream right in the saddle and hackles is that correct. I see a lot of people saying they like the color of some of the more colorful CLs and give those people lots of encouragement that the roosters are good. So I get confused as to what we are working towards. Sorry Im new to trying to follow the SOP and still learning. Is a little color ok and allowed or are they supposed to be JUST cream.

Honestly I don't know. I'm still learning as well

 

[TherryChicken]

Progress is good... backsliding is bad.

Some people are 3+ generation into breeding the Cream Legbar. Most of them started out with birds that major weaknesses in multiple areas They work through these weakness by hatching as many chicks as they could and selecting the best ones to move foward with. The best guide of what we are working towards is the British Standard of the Cream Legbar.

Some people are just getting started and may not have access to more than a few flock members to choose from for breeding. If their birds have more colors than a cream legbar is supposed to have but over all has a lot fewer weaknesses than the birds that other had to start with 2-3 generation ago then they will be encouraged that thier birds are good birds to start with. Not because they fit the standard of perfection, but because we have prooved that with birds of their quality that great improovments can be achieved in the first few generation that will result in offspring that are continually moving closer to the Standard of Perfection.

The standard of perfection is like poetry with 10 tiers of symbolism to me in that every time I read it I find new dirrection and understand that I didn't catch before. Discussion on the SOP has greatly excelorated that discovery processes for me, but we often get off on tangents to understand one are of the SOP better forget who that point has to work with other points of the SOP which can bring us to incorect conclusons in our discussions. So, to keep on track I have to make many, many, Many trips back to the SOP for clarification.

Could you post pictures of what we are looking for exactly? So us newer breeders can know what we are looking for? I personally am clue-less right now as to what I'm supposed to be looking for

 

[1muttsfan]

One of the reasons that they used paintings or retouched photos in the older discussions about type and color is that there is no bird that lives up to the standard in every way. Each bird may have something to add to the discussion, while not being ideal in itself. Other than obvious DQ's such as side sprigs or wry tail, it can be hard to completely criticize many of the birds we see. Sometimes, as said above, you have to work with what you have, and not with what you wish you had.

 

[nicalandia]

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some birds come close to it more than others. I would like proof of Punnetts pic were altered in any way, shape or form..!

 

[dretd]

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Your point is well taken, although I have said in the past that his photos may have been altered, not saying that they have been altered.

I am suspicious because I know this was commonly done to make the photo either more artistic or bring it up to what the real-life image should have been but the camera missed. For instance, my grandfather took many photos in the '40's that were black and white and he retouched/washed over areas in almost all of the ones that I have seen. Large blow-ups that were augmented either with color or enhanced shading. I have photos that were done of me when I was a youngster that were also hand-retouched. Nowadays they would use photoshop. I have taken many photos of eggs and find the blue or green colors particularly hard to get right and if I were using it for an example to show someone, I would be inclined to modify it so that it actually looked like the color of the egg I was trying to represent.

 

[nicalandia]

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I agree

 

[LaBella]

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I prefer the some chestnut allowed birds. There are some that prefer the no chestnut allowed birds. And there is room for both in the SOP. It would concern me for everyone to breed to either extreme, but given the range, from no chestnut, to SOME chestnut, gives everyone room to breathe.

 

[ChicKat]

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I agree with LaBella,

There is a problem too with words...to say -- as nicalandia correctly stated that some chestnut allowed means that no chestnut is also allowable -- switch it a bit and say "no chestnut is allowed" without the first part -- some chestnut allowed or without the "also" -- it may hold the key or give some insight to the way the SOP should be worded so that chestnut is not penalized.

 

[KPenley]

I agree with LaBella,

There is a problem too with words...to say -- as nicalandia correctly stated that some chestnut allowed means that no chestnut is also allowable -- switch it a bit and say "no chestnut is allowed" without the first part -- some chestnut allowed or without the "also" -- it may hold the key or give some insight to the way the SOP should be worded so that chestnut is not penalized.

Does the British standard reward chestnut?