Cream Legbars

[dretd]

Opinions of this 8 month old boy



He isn't mine but a friend not too far away.

Hi Caychris--I am kinda late to the party but I wanted to make a brief comment about the comb. KPenley did a great job of critiquing and I'm not keen on passing judgment from one picture anyway, but the comb is at a good angle and worthy of a comment or two.



I hope you don't mind, but I copied the photo into my pictures and blew it up a bit. I am not sure I could make out a crest since what I thought was a crest may be a reflection from the hen's feathers. Do you know for sure that he has a crest?

Here is a reminder if the Standard for combs:
Comb: Single; large, fine in texture, straight and upright, deeply and evenly serrated with six distinct points, extending well over the back of the head and following, without touching, the line of the head, free from side spikes, thumb-marks or twists.

What I like about the comb.
-This fellow has no twists or folds at the front of the comb. Most males I have seen or had have at least a small fold there. Without exception, all of the ones that I have hatched without any fold at all have been crestless, which is why I asked to verify he has a crest. If he is crested, he might be worth doing a hatch from just to capture that trait in offspring with the goal of improving on is other flaws.
-The comb is on the large side of medium, which I like a lot (even though our standard calls for large--it appears to match the British illustrations in their standard for size*) . I like it when the front of the comb doesn't extend to the front tip of the beak.
-He's got good deep serrations for the most part and the comb looks very straight in addition to being free of folds.

What I concerned with:
-He is supposed to have 6 points and he has maybe 5? They could be more even--the middle one seems broader at the base
-The comb looks more like an American Leghorn comb instead of a Legbar comb. A lot like a Leghorn! Leghorns have more of a flyaway comb where the blade diverges from the neck whereas the Legbar has a comb that follows the head and neck without touching it. Perhaps that is why he lacks a fold at the front if he does have a crest. No one had mentioned this in previous comments and I thought it was something that really stood out to me.

Leghorn Standard comb excerpt: "Single; fine in texture, of medium size, straight and upright; firm and even on the head having five distinct points, deeply serrated and extending well over the back of the head with no tendency to follow shape of neck; smooth, free from twists folds or excrescences." There is an excellent illustration that goes along with the text (APA SOP 2010, pg 117-118)

*When I look at the illustrations for the Legbars in the British Standard. the comb appears to be what we Americans call a medium even thought their standard calls it a large and we translated it directly over as large. This is one area of concern I have with the current draft. I am personally happier with more of a medium size comb because of frostbite problems I have experienced with the larger versions.

 

[chicken pickin]

Hi Caychris--I am kinda late to the party but I wanted to make a brief comment about the comb. KPenley did a great job of critiquing and I'm not keen on passing judgment from one picture anyway, but the comb is at a good angle and worthy of a comment or two.



I hope you don't mind, but I copied the photo into my pictures and blew it up a bit. I am not sure I could make out a crest since what I thought was a crest may be a reflection from the hen's feathers. Do you know for sure that he has a crest?

Here is a reminder if the Standard for combs:
Comb: Single; large, fine in texture, straight and upright, deeply and evenly serrated with six distinct points, extending well over the back of the head and following, without touching, the line of the head, free from side spikes, thumb-marks or twists.

What I like about the comb.
-This fellow has no twists or folds at the front of the comb. Most males I have seen or had have at least a small fold there. Without exception, all of the ones that I have hatched without any fold at all have been crestless, which is why I asked to verify he has a crest. If he is crested, he might be worth doing a hatch from just to capture that trait in offspring with the goal of improving on is other flaws.
-The comb is on the large side of medium, which I like a lot (even though our standard calls for large--it appears to match the British illustrations in their standard for size*) . I like it when the front of the comb doesn't extend to the front tip of the beak.
-He's got good deep serrations for the most part and the comb looks very straight in addition to being free of folds.

What I concerned with:
-He is supposed to have 6 points and he has maybe 5? They could be more even--the middle one seems broader at the base
-The comb looks more like an American Leghorn comb instead of a Legbar comb. A lot like a Leghorn! Leghorns have more of a flyaway comb where the blade diverges from the neck whereas the Legbar has a comb that follows the head and neck without touching it. Perhaps that is why he lacks a fold at the front if he does have a crest. No one had mentioned this in previous comments and I thought it was something that really stood out to me.

Leghorn Standard comb excerpt: "Single; fine in texture, of medium size, straight and upright; firm and even on the head having five distinct points, deeply serrated and extending well over the back of the head with no tendency to follow shape of neck; smooth, free from twists folds or excrescences." There is an excellent illustration that goes along with the text (APA SOP 2010, pg 117-118)

*When I look at the illustrations for the Legbars in the British Standard. the comb appears to be what we Americans call a medium even thought their standard calls it a large and we translated it directly over as large. This is one area of concern I have with the current draft. I am personally happier with more of a medium size comb because of frostbite problems I have experienced with the larger versions.

This is a good post on combs, you did well with your descriptions and details. I posted a few post back about this male also and I commented on how his comb wasn't correct. I mentioned that to me it seemed to extend a little too far back and then upward. You are correct that the comb should follow the line of the CLs head with out touching. That was one of the first things that stood out to me also when I looked at the picture.

I was also curious if he was crested since it is very hard to tell from that one photo.

 

[chicken pickin]

I have 37 CL in the incubator right now on day 8 (also 35 mixes

) and I am debating on putting in a dozen more CL eggs in today that I have been saving up. Am I crazy? I really want to hatch enough CL to hopefully get a small handful of decent CL to carry forward for next years breeding. But I don't want to over do it with chicks Hmmm what to do, what to do lol.

 

[Thespoiledchicken]

I have 37 CL in the incubator right now on day 8 (also 35 mixes

) and I am debating on putting in a dozen more CL eggs in today that I have been saving up. Am I crazy? I really want to hatch enough CL to hopefully get a small handful of decent CL to carry forward for next years breeding. But I don't want to over do it with chicks Hmmm what to do, what to do lol.

PUT THEM IN!!!

Then pick out the best and sell the rest

 

[dretd]

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Good Morning Chicken pickin! I am so sorry I didn't give you proper credit for your fine post. I've been over-scheduled and sleep-deprived lately so I haven't been able to keep up will all the posts and addle-brained all at the same time. No disrespect to you intended--I think you have a very keen eye and appreciate your posts!

I have 37 CL in the incubator right now on day 8 (also 35 mixes

) and I am debating on putting in a dozen more CL eggs in today that I have been saving up. Am I crazy? I really want to hatch enough CL to hopefully get a small handful of decent CL to carry forward for next years breeding. But I don't want to over do it with chicks Hmmm what to do, what to do lol.

Gosh--as an enabler I feel it is my duty to encourage you to put more in the incubator.

However, if you wait until Wednesday, they will be due on Tax Day and give us all a reason to look forward to April 15th for a change!

 

[chicken pickin]

PUT THEM IN!!!

Then pick out the best and sell the rest

Good Morning Chicken pickin! I am so sorry I didn't give you proper credit for your fine post. I've been over-scheduled and sleep-deprived lately so I haven't been able to keep up will all the posts and addle-brained all at the same time. No disrespect to you intended--I think you have a very keen eye and appreciate your posts!
Gosh--as an enabler I feel it is my duty to encourage you to put more in the incubator.

However, if you wait until Wednesday, they will be due on Tax Day and give us all a reason to look forward to April 15th for a change!

Thanks for helping enable lol I was just thinking though if I set more eggs I will need to start up the cooler bator since my other 2 incubators are about full. Starting up the huge cooler bator might be dangerous lol. Ill keep thinking about through out the day. Im pretty sure my reasonable side might take over and I will hold off for a few weeks but we will see though eggs are very enticing and they call to me lol.

 

[dretd]

Here are some updated pictures of the Jill Rees cockerels. Sorry about the lighting. It is hard to get chickens to stand still for pictures.

I appreciate you taking the time to post photos of your boys! Could you remind me how old they are again? Still a little early to judge their plumage, I think they look like they have more barring in their secondaries than most cockerels I've seen posted--I wonder if the saddles will have more barring as well when they come in fully--it looks t like there is at least one that has fairly distinct barring there.

What are your plans for them?

 

[sarahdee]

Opinions on my 7 week old boy?

 

[Odelia]

Opinions on my 7 week old boy?

Yes that is a cockerel. He does have a crest coming in so that is good. His comb isn't perfect, but so far it isn't too bad. It would be better if the front of it didn't curve. I can't tell how many points it has.

 

[tdhenson86]

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They are only about 7 months old. They are still growing into their feathers for sure. They have more barring in their secondaries and I've noticed the wing triangle has more black barring than some others have experienced. My plans are to keep 2 for myself and sell the other 3.