Creating Silver double-Laced: Am I doing it right?

[Illia]

Okay so I really fell in love with the silver Barnevelder, and tried out on the Chicken Calculator how to make it without actually having Silver Barnevelders.
So, I find that Silver double-laced is merely the "partridge double laced" but with the silver gene, not gold. Now I started to ask myself, HOW can I just add silver? Well, I tried it like this:


Silver Laced Wyandotte x Double Laced Barnevelder = sex linked Silver Laced bird.

Yellow-golden laced bird X Silver Laced Wyandotte = 12% being Silver Laced with MlMl+ and CoCo+, the requirements for double lacing versus single lacing.

Chosen Silver Laced x Double Laced Barnevelder = 25% sex linked Silver Double Laced bird, 25% "extended" sex linked Silver Double Laced bird.

Yellow-golden Double Laced x Silver Double Laced = 50% Silver Double Laced bird.


Use that 50% and they breed true from there.

Is this true? And, how am I to choose that 12% of Silver Laced with those particular genes. . . Is it visibly seen in the bird? - If any of this is confusing, let me know.

 

[flyingmonkeypoop]

I'll have to dig through records but you can make it using silver laced and silver pencilled (silver partridge), both colors can be found in wyandottes already so you wont have to worry about type or anything else, just color. I will try to find it soon but others feel free to chime in.

 

[RAREROO]

I would personally use another breed other than wyandotte, the dominant rose comb is going to be a factor too you know. I silver penciled rock may be better.

But with the senario you are describing.

I would use as Silver roo on Barne hens, that would give chicks that are not sexlinked, but the hens would be pure silver, silver laced if you use the SLW.

That way you don't have to breed back to the wyandotte in the second generation which would set you back further. Breed a Barne roo to the SL F1 hens and that would give sexlinks, gold hens and split gold/silver roos.

Breed those roos to barne hens, I think that should give half split, half gold roos, and half gold and half silver hens, then breed the split yellow roos the the silver hens and you should probably be about there as far as plumage color, the egg color may suffer from the outcross.

But plug all that into your calculator and see if that comes up the way I think it should. But you only need to out cross once to pick up the silver, don't breed back to the silver bird in the second generation or that's gonna set you way back.

 

[Henk69]

Here is one possible way:
http://kippenjungle.nl/chickenreport.php?id=3

The biggest problem will be to get rid of (autosomal) red that could mess up your silver groundcolor, allthough it can be a beautiful effect.
If you use a single laced silver wyandotte be aware that the columbian factor in those can hide a lot of this "red".
If both parents have it, you would have a hard time getting rid of it since you don't want the columbian, which would make single-laced out of your double-laced.
A silver pencilled chicken, lacking the columbian factor, would show hidden red more easily.

 

[blackdotte]

I totally agree with Henk, use a Silver Pencilled bird rather than a Silver (single) Laced.
David

 

[Illia]

Thank you very much everyone, especially Henk69!

 

[Chickndaddy]

Also if you go with a Wyandotte try to obtain a single combed individual. That would keep you from having to work as hard to breed any rose combs out later down the line. That is if I read right and you are trying to replicate a Silver Barnevelder.

 

[Illia]

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Trying to replicate the color, right now it doesn't entirely matter on what comb type or body type the bird has - That's a little easier with my experience to work with than color.

 

[RAREROO]

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Trying to replicate the color, right now it doesn't entirely matter on what comb type or body type the bird has - That's a little easier with my experience to work with than color.

So you are trying to make just a Silver Double laced Partridge bird like a Silver Barne, not necessarily with the same type and egg color as Barnes? If you were trying to make Silver Barnes, then you should work on type first and color later, you got to build a house before you can paint it. But if you are just wanting a bird that color just becuase you like the color, then it wouldn't matter, just go for the color, just don't call them Silver Barnevelders unless they actually look like them.

 

[tls_ranch]

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How hard would it be to breed out the Columbian factor when trying to get back the double lacing of the Barnevelder? I have 2 single combed Blue Lace red wyandotte pullets and I was thinking about trying to recreate the Blue laced barnevelder by crossing them with my Barnevelders.

edited to ad: Sorry if I'm hyjacking this thread.