Crime: Why does anyone even bother?

[KristyHall]

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Well said. Until we make greater efforts to find what encourages crime, and make efforts to address these problems (poverty, poor education, social and ethnic issues) we will continue to have these problems.

Man I hate when people show me up in one sentence something that took me 5 posts to say!

(Thank you!!) That's exactly what I meant.

Eep! Sorry! Spent to many years as an activist and speaker.

hehe

 

[rebelcowboysnb]

He actually makes his living doing stand-up making fun of potheads. Thats where the movies came from. He has done other parts though. He will tell you that he likes his weed though. But the feds coming down on him was all for show over what hes known for.

 

[KristyHall]

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Let me be frank-that sounds like a bunch of fertilizer. Their diet causes an increase in crime? No, the fact that they are narcissistic idiots is what causes them to commit crimes. I thought someone in an earlier post said they were committing crime in order to get something to eat???? Now they're committing crime BECAUSE they were GIVEN something to eat???? Interesting...
Prison isn't terribly challenging? That's too bad, they had an opportunity to be challenged by getting an education and availing themselves of the countless chances to go to college. Did they? No, they're lazy and would rather steal from someone that did just that.
Those of you that have sympathy for these jackwagons might have a TOTALLY different perspective on this whole thing had some convict who jumped bail did a drive by on your house because you loaned his girlfriend's husband money to get a divorce-happened to me and had he not been such a coward and run, he'd have gotten a big surprise from me and wouldn't be sitting in prison right now. I don't feel sorry for his worthless...self. He could have easily killed me or my husband.
There is a place in the dictionary where you can find sympathy, but I won't be real descriptive as to where it is...not appropriate for this site.
If you don't have a problem with criminals and you want them treated so beautifully by society, by all means, post your address on the internet welcoming them into your home-maybe it'll save one of us that DOES have a problem with them and no sympathy for them from being robbed, carjacked or worse.

Woot! I 100% agree! people wouldnt be so quick to baby these creeps if THEY had been a victim of crime..
Like my brother was,.he WAS actually shot in the back from a drive-by shooting and he almost died....bullet went through his house wall AND through his couch..he was sitting on his couch watching t.v., looked up at my SIL and just said, i think, i've been shot, with a look of utter shock and terror on his face...
I remember driving to the hospital with my mother... they had to life flight him to another bigger hospital... she was just huddled on the floor of the car sobbing her heart out... her only boy might be dead before she got to see him again...
He STILL has a bullet in him to this day... it was too close to a main artery or something..so they couldnt risk taking the bullet out of him...
Do you EVEN think that scum bag cares that he almost destroyed a family and crushed a mother? Come on now... Think real hard..

No.. if your husband was shot in the back by some coward.. or you were raped and tortured by one... Or maybe YOUR child will be killed by one of these people,...then you come tell me how we should look at it "from their side"

Just my opinion, of course. I dont begrudge anyone theirs either...

I have been a victim of violent crime ad I have worked with victims of crimes. It doesn't change the fact that If you do not find out what causes criminals and work to fix the flaw in the system that encourages crime, crime will always be prolific. I am not saying it will solve all crimes, there is always going to be people who commit crimes for the thrill of it and there will always be flaws in our system. I am saying that by understanding why people do what they do, we can work to prevent it, or better protect ourselves form it.

 

[KristyHall]

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Well written. Those who say "Criminal scum" and the like have likely broken laws, even minor ones, which make them criminal scum under that point of view. Laws and morality are largely subjected and those morals change with each group and society. In some societies beating your wife is fine, here it is considered very bad.
Poverty, and lack of education and violent crime in societies go hand and hand.
It comes down to who's sacred cow is getting gored. People think nothing of breaking crimes they see and minor or insignificant ( driving a mile over the speed limit, making their own whiskey in areas where stills are controlled, building a shed in their yard without a permit, drinking during prohibition) but resent those who break law that harms or inconvenience them (people who speed past them or drive too slow, people who build without a permit next door creating what their neighbors feel is an eye sore, etc.

 

[KristyHall]

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Nope, sorry. I lived for two weeks at a time on a dozen eggs, a loaf of bread and a bag of apples and I didn't steal. Maybe if I didn't have those apples I would have been hungry enough?

No you weren't also, you didn't have children to feed. When my mother fled my abusive legal father with only the car and the clothes on our backs, we starved and lived in the car. My mother once said she did tings she egrets to feed us until we got back on our feet, I never asked what she did, but i will tell you this. My mother is a good person, a hard worker, strong and resilient. She left a wealthy abusive man in rural Alabama, in a time when women were considered stupid for doing such a thing. There was little help available to a woman and children running from a monster. You don't know hardship until you don't have a dime to your name, no home, no money, no food, and you're being hunted by a drug lord who tortures and murders for fun.

 

[KristyHall]

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I have worked the help line for crises services in this area where we connect people with resources. I have learned from experience there is far more people in need than resources out there. I spend hours listening to people's stories and my heart beaks for them because i have been there. You can hear the desperation in their voice, the fear, the anger. I have spoken with people who have never had problems, and people who were raised in crime and spent most of their lives in the system. People who have to use the phone at the local hospital because they can't afford a phone let alone the internet, o a way to get to a local shelter. Then here are the people in the rural outskirts who have no access to a nearby shelter, church or soup kitchen. It is a serious issue

 

[KristyHall]

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Nope, sorry. I lived for two weeks at a time on a dozen eggs, a loaf of bread and a bag of apples and I didn't steal. Maybe if I didn't have those apples I would have been hungry enough?

Love you too, Kat..

And yep..i'd beg on the corner before i would steal food. I'd go to the shelter or church or local food pantry..
No excuse for it..Just because that store owner has lots of food..does NOT mean you can just take what you want from them. They PAID for that food to put in their store..
Why should someone get it for free?
Thats the problem with these thiefs..they feel the world OWES them something for nothing...

We're also flat broke this week..and maybe next week too...
Hubby is in school to get his CDL..and his un-employment stopped for SOME reason... (hopefully that will start again by next week..)
and i spent my pay on bills and food that i know my critters would need for 2 weeks..(until i get my next check)
So.. we're living on eggs and toast.. (soo glad my girls started laying again!), and we're using up the food in our freezer... and rolling our change...

Still not gonna steal from someone... like i said.. I'd BEG on a corner first.
NO excuse for it..

Begging is a crime i many areas as well, making you... a criminal. So you would still be breaking the law. Also, until you have no home, no internet no phone, no food source and no place to go, you have no place to judge.

 

[Royd]

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I agree with the hanging tree comment...I had to grow up in the era after John Wayne Gacy was caught, and he lived less than 10 miles from my house. He was given 15 years of confinement away from the rest of the prison population and WAY too much time to appeal his death sentence, while everyone outside had to fear for their kids and wonder if he had any accomplices still circulating. How are you NOT responsible for 30-odd human beings buried under your house??? Then we had good ol' Jeff Dahmer, not too terribly far away, who was never given a death sentence because the state of Wisconsin doesn't do that. His fellow prisoners, of course, saw things differently. And of course in the same area we have whoever murdered the Schussler-Peterson boys; it has been speculated loosely that Gacy did it as his first offense but no one will ever know the whole truth, so the public at large still has much to fear because of these cases. I think this human condition we have now is that we need to treat our lowest common denominator like the reeking trash it is and dispose of it, publicly and promptly, and maybe give SOME chance at reform to the one-time offenders or small-timers. Our tax dollars already pay for nursery school once, and I see no reason we should pay for it twice, however.

I was doing construction work in Union Correctional Institution, commonly known as Raiford, which was right next door to the Florida State Pen, on the day that Ted Bundy got fried...What a media circus......Good times!​

 

[Royd]

People commit crimes because in the long and short of things, even though many criminals get caught, what those programs don't tell you is that there are twice as many they never catch, even with all their forensics, etc. People vanish in plain sight. They hide in big cities and neighborhoods right in the middle of everybody else.

How do I know this? I live in Sacramento's Oak Park area. Ghetto birds (helicopters) are a nightly issue here. We call the cops all the time, and sometimes they do not even come. When our car was broken into and our stereo stolen last August two nights before I was having surgery, DH called the Sacramento County Sheriff who told him to feel free to come in on Monday and fill out a report but they aren't coming out and they aren't investigating it. Law enforcement officers are overworked and understaffed and are, at least here in Sacramento, mostly ineffectual.

We sit here night after night in the ghetto... we hear gunfire within a block or two of our house several times a week, oftentimes not even followed by sirens of any kind. You can call the cops, but unless you know a specific address where the gunfire is coming from, have a description of the individual with the firearm or one of the victims, they don't even come. What are they gonna do, go door to door in the ghetto and knock and say, "Excuse me, is anyone here firing a weapon? A neighbor called us."

People commit crimes because, quite frankly, they get away with it.

What are you saying? The land of fruits and nuts, peace and love is not quite what we are led to believe?​

 

[Royd]

Well said. Until we make greater efforts to find what encourages crime, and make efforts to address these problems (poverty, poor education, social and ethnic issues) we will continue to have these problems.

It was pointed out, by a radio caller, on a talk show, recently, the irony of the government blocking the teaching of religious/ moral values, in schools. Yet, as soon as a criminal hits the jailhouse door, there's a preacher and a Bible waiting for him.​