CSU - Chicken State University- Large Fowl SOP

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Thank you for taking the time to look it over Walt.. I used it as a visual ..the middle male is what people need to train the eyes to see, not be fooled by wrong outline..it is point deduction in gr britian to produce the plymouth outline and breast as well as other standards..its that wonderful cobby big deep frame of the middle example that we are after.. ..

I beleive the brit buffs that Vickie has were belgium imports, probably handled more toward that standard..the actual buffs in britian right now are very different than these..if I can safley say because I did see them several years ago..very cohiney....i did not recognise them as a buff orp and yes there are a lot of complaint about it by breeders..some of the comments are , your going to take this too far and then you will have to take many steps backward to correct it..but if it is being rewarded in show ring as it is, that is the direction it will go..its all directed by show ring fad..ours went wrong way too..birds lost thier punch, the big cobby round frame turned into buff rock and wyandotte..if you do something like that , you have to be so careful and not turn a breed into another breed just because its buff color..i still blame it all on america lost its passion for poultry breeding for long time, right now its enjoying a huge rise in popularity..but it looks simple...it is not..anything but..sadly we have to turn to books written in the turn of the century to help us understand what they were thinking..what they did and thier vast knowlege that so few people have today, they were so comfortable in that knowlege, we are far removed from it and the people who could give that kind of direction..a lot of the mis direction is blamed on new comers or this or that..I beleive its lack of proper instruction..
You're right Lynne, my birds came from Europe, not from England, and were bred to the British Standard. The Orps in Europe, and even in the USSR, are very different from the currently winning English birds. Many of the older British breeders are saying that the judges are going too far with placing the Cochiny birds. Those birds are monuments to their owners' conditioning efforts, but are not a practical dual purpose bird. They certainly don't lay very well , and I can't imagine that they could function on the moors ranging , and raising chicks , as Johnn's do.

You used the word "cobby" in your description of an Orp. We are both horse people, but I'll bet that alot of people have no idea of what it means. Since this a learning thread, I'll explain it.

A cob is a horse ridden by older ladies and gentlemen, who is stocky, and heavier built than a Thorougbred horse. The theory being that the heavier built Cob could carry the weight of heavy gents and dowagers without the temperament and height of the Thoroughbred. Although much more heavily built, a cob must have refinement, and not resemble a draft horse.The ones I rode in England years ago had quality , with attractive heads, and could gallop and jump with the best of them.
 
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You're right Lynne, my birds came from Europe, not from England, and were bred to the British Standard. The Orps in Europe, and even in the USSR, are very different from the currently winning English birds. Many of the older British breeders are saying that the judges are going too far with placing the Cochiny birds. Those birds are monuments to their owners' conditioning efforts, but are not a practical dual purpose bird. They certainly don't lay very well , and I can't imagine that they could function on the moors ranging , and raising chicks , as John's do.

Several years when visiting family in gr britian ago I saw those buffs .., honestly I did think they were cochin......thier legs were placed further out on side , and it wasnt just fluff that you were seeing either .. it was a bit of an extream frame..and yes the complaints were many...but on the other hand..we need to recognise a problem here as well to the opposite extream , rewarding skimpy shallow birds because they have a nice tail...... bring back that bird in the middle pic and I know that is your goal..put that big cobby bird back into the programs..its so exciting that you saw it and took it on..and marc for the ammo..
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In the past ,I had never wanted a buff orp ..every one I saw was just dissapointing to me..looked kind of like brown leghorns only bigger...its nice to have a fresh pair of eyes to say ...you like brits have a problem too, your lost in it and dont recognise it..they are going to one extream, your going to the other..both sides hopefully will recognise that.
 
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Vickie, thanks for the perfect description of "cobby"

thought that old article on the english strain was so interesting.it says never breed 2 highly colored birds together that is when the purple barring appears as well as the browns ..that was exactly what ray connor said..if he had an australorp with superb green..he would breed that rooster back to some hens that were more of a flat black.

sadley, wont be going back to the uk anytime soon..there was a divorce..the kids have dual citizenship..but it got a little ugley..so just keeping out of it and not taking sides...
 
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I'd like to ask a "stupid" question. Are the heavier, fluffier breeds such as Orps and Wyandottes, able to withstand hot summers in the south, like in Southern California? Where I live, we just had 103 degree heat, and in the summer, we can hang at 110 for days, and over 100 for months, so I'm curious if these breeds could survive, if there were shade and water?
 
I'd like to ask a "stupid" question. Are the heavier, fluffier breeds such as Orps and Wyandottes, able to withstand hot summers in the south, like in Southern California? Where I live, we just had 103 degree heat, and in the summer, we can hang at 110 for days, and over 100 for months, so I'm curious if these breeds could survive, if there were shade and water?
I raised Silver Laced Wyandottes in Ga. for years, quite successfuly. Now I'm raising my big Buff orps in the sandy, humid, Carolina Bays in S.C. with no problems. They do have heavy shade, cool water, and fans when the temperatures go over 95. My sand runs are a big help too.
 
ok when does the new SOP book come out and where is the best place to get it from? Thanks
The most recent was released in 2010 and is the recommended version to use at this time. There have been a few breeds/varieties added to the standard since the release. You can purchase the book directly from APA off of their website.
 
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