Cuckoo Orpingtons? Lookie! + Import Discussion

[EweSheep]

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They were here way much longer than that. Blehm had his birds about the 70's. I am guessing that the Mexicans took their chickens with them when they traveled north for work or family. No one ever think of it at that time.

 

[RockwaterFarm]

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LOL! They just don't understand how our minds work.

DH says mine doesn't work. "You and you weird chicken people friends". He says it like it's a BAD thing

My sister says that too. She hates when i go on here to talk about chickens! I love it though!

 

[Goose and Fig]

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Not so,
The Wyandotte( Barred Rock, Dominique) are a yellow shanked/skinned breed, Orpingtons a white shanked/skinned breed.
Yellow shank/skin is a disqualification in Orpingtons, and being recessive to white shank/skin is difficult to get rid of without extensive test matings.
I also disagree on the type comment, your maybe but in the UK & Australian they certainly aren't.
Cuckoo Marans would be a much easier process.
Cuckoo Marans male to Black Orpington hens, all chicks should be Cuckoo. Backmate to Black Orpington,select Cuckoo birds & backmate to Black Orpingtons, continue until type is how you want it.
Probably only take 3 generations.
David

Yes- that exactly what I was thinking. Those bright yellow legs! Noooo!

 

[lildinkem]

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Not so,
The Wyandotte( Barred Rock, Dominique) are a yellow shanked/skinned breed, Orpingtons a white shanked/skinned breed.
Yellow shank/skin is a disqualification in Orpingtons, and being recessive to white shank/skin is difficult to get rid of without extensive test matings.
I also disagree on the type comment, your maybe but in the UK & Australian they certainly aren't.
Cuckoo Marans would be a much easier process.
Cuckoo Marans male to Black Orpington hens, all chicks should be Cuckoo. Backmate to Black Orpington,select Cuckoo birds & backmate to Black Orpingtons, continue until type is how you want it.
Probably only take 3 generations.
David

My accidental breeding of an RIR and my White skinned Buff Orp produced only white skinned legged birds outta a small 5 eggs test hatch. I would think the numbers would be similar with another yellow skinned bird.

 

[scbatz33]

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The rules of importation were not changed until the avian flu scare. In an effort to protect the country's population of poultry, the government implemented a ban on the importation of live birds and hatching eggs.

From the USDA-APHIS website

Live Poultry




Procedures for Importing Live Poultry

ADVISORY: Until further notice, there is a temporary ban on the importation of all live avian species from Afghanistan, Albania, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cambodia, Czech Republic (Kraj of Kralovehradecky and Pardubicky only), Djibouti, Egypt, Ghana, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Ivory Coast (Côte d'Ivoire), Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Nepal, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Palestinian Autonomous Territories, People's Republic of China, Romania, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Sudan, Sweden (Kalmar county only), Thailand, Togo, Turkey, Ukraine, and Vietnam.
Poultry imported from Canada into the United States are not required to be quarantined. However, the poultry must be accompanied by a veterinary health certificate issued within 30 days of importation and endorsed by a full-time salaried veterinarian of the Canadian government. The poultry must be inspected by a USDA veterinarian at the first U.S. port of entry.

An import permit is not required for poultry imported from Canada through a U.S. - Canadian land border port. However, if the poultry enters the United States through an airport, an import permit (VS Form17-129) (fillable pdf 75kb) is required.

The U.S. Department of Agriculture (USDA) defines poultry to include chickens, doves, ducks, geese, grouse, guinea fowl, partridges, pea fowl, pheasants, pigeons, quail, swans, and turkeys. All birds of these species are subject to the import requirements for poultry, and are not considered by the USDA to be pet birds.

Requirements

•30-day quarantine at a USDA Animal Import Center

•Animal Import Permit (VS Form17-129) (fillable pdf 75kb)

•Veterinary Health Certificate issued by a full-time salaried veterinarian of the agency responsible for animal health of the national government of the exporting country

•U.S. Fish and Wildlife Certification

•FDA Imported food requirement

Import Procedures (from all countries except Canada)
•All poultry must be quarantined for a minimum of 30 days at a USDA Animal Import Center. The poultry must also be accompanied by a USDA import permit (VS Form17-129) (fillable pdf 75kb), issued prior to shipment of the birds. The importer must contact a USDA Animal Import Center to apply for the import permit and reserve quarantine space in the facility. The addresses for the USDA Animal Import Centers are listed below.

New York Animal Import Center
USDA, APHIS, VS
474 International Blvd
Rock Tavern, NY 12575
Phone: (845) 564-2950
Fax: (845) 564-1075


Miami Animal Import Center
USDA, APHIS, VS
6300 NW 36 Street
Miami, FL 33122
Phone: (305) 526-2926
Fax: (305) 526-2929

Los Angeles Animal Import Center
USDA, APHIS, VS
11850 South La Cienega Boulevard
Hawthorne, CA 90250
Phone: (310) 725-1970
Fax: (310) 725-9119


•The poultry must be accompanied by a current veterinary health certificate issued within 30 days of importation and endorsed by a full-time salaried veterinarian of the agency responsible for animal health of the national government of the exporting country. The health certificate must be translated into English.

•The poultry must be inspected by a USDA port veterinarian at the first U.S. port of entry. The importer must arrange for this inspection at least 72 hours in advance by contacting the USDA port veterinarian at the telephone number listed on the import .

•The importer must retain the services of a customs broker to facilitate the importation and, in some cases, to transport the poultry from the port of entry to the USDA Animal Import Center. The importer should contact the Import Center for a list of customs brokers to provide these services.

•During the quarantine period, all poultry will be tested to determine if they are free of certain communicable diseases of poultry. The cost for this diagnostic testing will be charged to the importer and is separate from the quarantine fee.

•Total payment of the quarantine and diagnostic testing fees is required when the import permit (VS Form17-129) (fillable pdf 75kb) application is submitted. The payment amount will be provided to the importer by the USDA Animal Import Center. The daily user fee rate for standard care, feed, and handling of poultry quarantined in a USDA Animal Import Center is as follows:

Doves, pigeons, quail $ 8.50
Chickens, ducks, grouse, guinea fowl, partridge, pea fowl, pheasants $ 19.00
Large poultry and waterfowl (game cocks, geese, swans, turkey) $ 36.00

 

[RAREROO]

So can hatching eggs not be brought into the US from anywhere, or just from the UK ?

 

[blackdotte]

My accidental breeding of an RIR and my White skinned Buff Orp produced only white skinned legged birds outta a small 5 eggs test hatch. I would think the numbers would be similar with another yellow skinned bird.

Just my point, White skin/shank is dominant to yellow skin/shank. All your birds have white shanks/skin but all are carrying the recessive yellow skin/shank allele. It will come to the surface time & time again unless removed, & this will take expensive & time consuming test mating.
David​

 

[CityChicker]

Hatching eggs can be imported and it is not nearly as difficult as people seem to like to make it nor is importing live birds (and I say this from first-hand experience importing). If the eggs are coming from a country declared free of Newcastle's, they do not even have to be quarantined. Almost all of the countries that people here would obtain eggs from (Great Britain, etc....) are on the Newcastle free list. Really, it is more work for them on their end than for us here in the US (although, of course, there is *some* work involved). Even importing live birds is not *that* difficult, comparatively speaking.

Maybe my opinion is different having grown up in the industry, but really it is not that hard. The basis of the system is not that much different than it has been forever. About the only difference it seems is that now there are pretty much only the USDA stations, whereas there used to also be a fairly significant number of privately operated USDA approved stations. The process is still very similar though and most likely eggs from the highly desired poultry breeds we are lacking in the US would come from the UK and quarantine is not required anyway (for eggs) so it is a moot point. I think if someone wants to try it, they should research it and go for it! If you really want to do something, don't let anyone ever tell you it is too hard without determining that for yourself.

Also, FYI- Araucanas, Ameraucana, and EE's (although the latter is a newer term) have been in the US for DECADES. Seriously, I sometimes wonder where people get their information. The hatcheries were selling "Aracaunas" (yes, with all the usual disclaimers that they weren't "really" true Araucanas) decades before anyone even knew what an "Ameraucana" or "Easter Egger" was either. Maybe someone that shows can elaborate, but even Ameraucanas have been in the SOP since mid-70's I believe. They have been around so long I never even remember my family not having them, so we are talking many, many years.

 

[scbatz33]

From the USDA- APHIS site:
Poultry Hatching Eggs



Procedures for Importing Poultry Hatching Eggs into the United States

ADVISORY: Until further notice, there is a temporary ban on the importation of all live avian species from Afghanistan, Albania, Azerbaijan, Bangladesh, Benin, Burkina Faso, Cameroon, Cambodia, Czech Republic (Kraj of Kralovehradecky and Pardubicky only), Djibouti, Egypt, Ghana, Hong Kong, India, Indonesia, Iran, Iraq, Israel, Ivory Coast (Côte d'Ivoire), Japan, Jordan, Kazakhstan, Kuwait, Laos, Malaysia, Myanmar, Nepal, Niger, Nigeria, Pakistan, Palestinian Autonomous Territories, People's Republic of China, Romania, Russia, Saudi Arabia, South Korea, Sudan, Sweden (Kalmar county only), Thailand, Togo, Turkey, Ukraine, and Vietnam.
The U.S. Department of Agricultrue defines poultry as chickens, doves, ducks, geese, grouse, guinea fowl, partridges, pea fowl, pheasants, pigeons, quail, swans, and turkeys (including hatching eggs of these species).

Requirements

•All hatching eggs of poultry imported into the United States must be accompanied by a USDA import permit VS Form 17-129 (except through a land border port from Canada).
•Current veterinary health certificate issued by a full-time salaried veterinarian of the agency responsible for animal health of the national government in the exporting country of origin.
•Some hatching eggs are required to be quarantined for a minimum of 30 days upon entry into the United States.
•FDA Imported food requirement
Requirements for importing poultry hatching eggs differ for eggs being imported from countries designated and free of exotic Newcastle disease (END) than those not designated as free of END.

Poultry hatching eggs imported from countries designated as free of END

•The following countries are considered by the USDA to be free of exotic Newcastle disease: Australia, Canada, Chile, Costa Rica, Fiji, Finland, France, Greece, Great Britain (England, Scotland, Wales, and the Isle of Man), Iceland, Republic of Ireland, Luxembourg, New Zealand, Spain, Sweden, and Switzerland.
•Hatching eggs imported from these countries are not required to be quarantined. However, the hatching eggs must be accompanied by a veterinary health certificate issued by a national government veterinarian of the exporting country as well as by a USDA import permit (see exception for Canada below).

Poultry hatching eggs imported from countries not designated as free of END

In addition to the required veterinary health certificate and USDA import permit, importation of hatching eggs from countries not designated by the USDA to be free of END are restricted as follows:

•Eggs must be transported from the port of entry to the hatchery in a vehicle sealed by the USDA.
•Eggs must be hatched and brooded under the supervision of the Area Veterinarian in Charge (AVIC) in the State of destination. The hatchery must meet certain biosecurity standards and be inspected and approved by the AVIC prior to issuance of the import permit.
•The poultry from such eggs must remain in quarantine for not less than 30 days following hatch.
•During quarantine, the hatching eggs and poultry from such eggs are subject to any inspections, disinnfections, and diagnostic testing as may be required by the USDA to determine their freedom from communicable diseases of poultry.
Poultry hatching eggs imported from Canada

Poultry hatching eggs imported from Canada must be accompanied by a veterinary health certificate issued by a Canadian government veterinarian. However, no quarantine is required for hatching eggs of Canadian origin. Those hatching eggs imported through a U.S.-Canadian land border port do not require a USDA import permit, whereas eggs entering the United States from Canada via air do require a USDA import permit.

The import permit application (VS Form 17-129) can be downloaded from the Internet at: http://www.aphis.usda.gov/import_export/forms.shtml or by contacting us at:
USDA, APHIS, VS
National Center for Import and Export
4700 River Road, Unit 39
Riverdale, MD 20737
(301) 734-8364 Telephone
(301) 734-6402 Fax

Flock of origin veterinary health certification statements

The health certificate must be in English or a complete English translation must be provided. The veterinary health certificate must accompany the hatching eggs while in transit and must state that:

•the flock or flocks of origin were found upon inspection to be free from evidence of communicable diseases of poultry;
•no exotic Newcastle disease has occurred on the premises of origin or on adjoining premises during the 90 days immediately preceding the date of movement of the eggs from such region; and
•as far as it has been possible to determine, such flock or flocks were not exposed to such disease during the preceding 90 days.
The flock of origin of hatching eggs imported from all countries except Canada are required to test serologically negative for egg drop syndrome (adenovirus 127), test negative on environmental culture for Salmonella enteritidis, and test serologically negative for viral turkey rhinotracheitis (avian pneumovirus) by a government approved laboratory. The flock of origin of hatching eggs from chicken-like poultry imported from Canada must be under a surveillance program similar to that of the USDA's National Poultry Improvement Plan.

Fish and Wildlife Service Permit Information
In the United States, the U.S. Fish and Wildlife Service regulates the importation of avian species (including their hatching eggs) protected by various national and international acts and treaties such as the Convention on International Trade in Endangered Species (CITES), the Wild Bird Conservation Act of 1992, the Migratory Bird Act, and the Endangered Species Act. To determine if the hatching eggs you wish to import are regulated by the USFWS, you can visit their web site at: http://permits.fws.gov/ or contact them at USFWS, Office of Management Authority, 4401 North Fairfax Drive, Room 420, Arlington, VA 22203, (800) 358-2104 (within the United States), or (703) 358-2104.

Please visit the FWS web site at: http://permits.fws.gov/ to obtain more information and the permit application. If you have questions you can contact the FWS at (800) 358-2104. Overseas calls should be placed to (703) 358-2104.

How to Contact Us

If you need additional materials about importing hatching eggs of poultry or other birds into the United States, please contact us at:
USDA, APHIS, VS
National Center for Import and Export
4700 River Road, Unit 39
Riverdale, MD 20737
(301) 734-8364 Telephone
(301) 734-6402 Fax



Only eggs from the designated countries in the "bold" section don't hae to be quarentined PROVIDED all of the other testing and inspections of the "flock of origin" have been completed. The LIVE BIRDS STILL MUST BE QUARENTINED for 30 days, in addition to all the testing and certifications for both the importer and exporter.

 

[scbatz33]

There are lots and lots of fees associated with importing. Go to this site for complete list : http://www.aphis.usda.gov/mrpbs/fmd/vs_import_export_fees.shtml#1302

Based on this list if I were to import a pair of breeding birds from an approved country the USDA would charge me the following:
application processing fee: $137.00 initial cost
68.00 if I must ammend that app for any reason
102.00 for them to check my compliance if it takes less than 4 hours to process( which you know it won't)
514.00 if it takes more than 4 hours (which you know it will)

Then there is the quarentine fees:
Currently it is $9.25 per day per bird. This cost will steadily increase over the next 5 years.
2 birds X $9.25 a day X 30 days = $555.00

Then there is vet fees from exporting country, inspection fees of the exporting facility, USDA Port Vet fees, Customs Broker Fee, Diagnostic Testing Fee, Shipping/transportation costs since there are only 3 USDA approved facilities for quartentine, etc.

Also, there is a fee discrepency on the USDA-APHIS website. One place it says $9.50 a day and another says $19.00 a day per bird.

Oh and don't forget the cost of purchasing the birds to begin with!!

Best case scenario? You can get a pair of chickens approved and imported for about $2500. Worst case scenario? Well, might wanna consider a second mortgage...........