CUTS on there Backs while trying to hatch!!

[Lacrystol]

Just a sample of what the back pasture without the rye grass looks like around my place (seller is also from central texas.. so no idea what her's is like.. but she may very well have the same type of soil)

not much nutrition here (though things ARE starting to green up a bit)... which is why we planted the rye!



if left to free range without supplemental feed our birds would be starving to death right now..

LOL, GOOD POINT AND IT SEE THAT, BOY HOW DRY!!!!

 

[Lacrystol]

that makes no sense... it sounds like from that comment that she would only rough handle shipped eggs.... I know that's probably not what you meant.. but that's certainly how it reads

I have gotten a lot of shipped eggs... if they are fertile and are not scrambled (have damaged yolk or albumen), rotten or smashed I get them to hatch... broken and bubbly air cells are not an issue...rough handling by the USPS will either scramble the eggs or not.. there is no middle ground.. so being shipped has no bearing on it since embryos from shipped eggs won't be in a stage of development anyway during shipping where the particular damage would happen resulting in the defects present in these ducklings

NO what I'm saying, is rough handling could have came from the way they were Shipped, not from Peach rough handling them.. Shipping eggs they get Rough Handled just from the trip alone and apparently from where they came from to where she's at, that's a HELL of a trip..

WAIT your telling me, That NO matter how your Eggs are shipped, NO matter How far, No matter how Long it takes. as long as they are NOT shooken or Scrambled, rotten or Smashed. they should hatch. That is NOT true. Absolutely NOT true.. You could have the Perfectly shaped egg delivered to you, handled with KIDS GLOVEs and it NOT hatch. because of shipping..

Shipping eggs is a HUGE RISK, so with your Theory, Everyone should have a 100% hatching rate, as Long as the FOUR scenario's Don't happen.. LOL, NO WAY. NOPE, I'm definitely NOT going to Believe that ONE...

I think you need to put ONE more scenario in that as well. How about Unfertiled eggs. So you should have FIVE scenario's. But again, there's NO way, every egg is going to hatch Perfectly with being shipped. NO way.

HOWEVER, I WOULD LIKE TO KNOW YOUR SYSTEM IN DETACHED EGGS. I have tried MANY many different ways to get a detached to hatch and have had ZERO success rate.. So I am curious as to what you do versus what I have done in getting them to hatch..

 

[1muttsfan]

There are many, many hatching eggs shipped every year, and very few eggs - shipped or not - that develop neural tube defects. Something that specific in a group of eggs from one source would be more likely be due to a factor unique to those eggs that does not affect all the other thousands of eggs that are roughly handled during shipping and do not develop neurological developmental defects. For rough handling to cause the defect in unrelated eggs they would have to be roughed up during the neural tube development, which does not happen until the eggs are incubating.

Genetics is certainly possible. It could even be that the affected eggs all came from the same duck.

As far as nutrition, when you have a group of animals some get more of the resources than others. If there is only a certain amount of food offered, the top dogs get what they want first, and everyone else gets what is left, and if there is not quite enough the bottom feeders get shorted - and those may have deficiencies that the higher-placed individuals do not have. And, as said above, free range does not mean quality pasture - it could easily mean 1 hour a day on a dirt lot.

Choline is another vitamin deficiency that can lead to neural tube defects.

 

[1muttsfan]

For detached cell incubating help, scroll down to the Shipped Eggs section of Sally Sunshine's Hatching 101 article

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/hatching-eggs-101

 

[yinepu]

For detached cell incubating help, scroll down to the Shipped Eggs section of Sally Sunshine's Hatching 101 article

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/hatching-eggs-101

my method is a bit different.. after trial and error I have found what works very well for me.. just had a 100% hatch rate on shipped ancona eggs.. every air cell detached.. have blue swedish eggs in the incubator that are showing 100% fertility (also had detached air cells).. golden 300s are looking good with only a few clears and the white french muscovy eggs are also showing 100% fertility.. giant pekins,are also looking very good... all of the good eggs should hatch with no issues
eggs that end up going through Austin postal hub several times tend to come in scrambled.. but I also have khaki campbell eggs cooking that are looking good considering they were lost and went through Austin's hub twice

I just unpacked more ancona eggs that came in today's mail (a different seller from the last batch) that only had bubble wrap around the eggs and no other packing.. if they are fertile (did not appear to be scrambled when I just candled them) then they should hatch as well..
More eggs are due in this week... goose and duck... lol.. yeah I get a lot of shipped eggs

 

[yinepu]

There are many, many hatching eggs shipped every year, and very few eggs - shipped or not - that develop neural tube defects. Something that specific in a group of eggs from one source would be more likely be due to a factor unique to those eggs that does not affect all the other thousands of eggs that are roughly handled during shipping and do not develop neurological developmental defects. For rough handling to cause the defect in unrelated eggs they would have to be roughed up during the neural tube development, which does not happen until the eggs are incubating.

Genetics is certainly possible. It could even be that the affected eggs all came from the same duck.

As far as nutrition, when you have a group of animals some get more of the resources than others. If there is only a certain amount of food offered, the top dogs get what they want first, and everyone else gets what is left, and if there is not quite enough the bottom feeders get shorted - and those may have deficiencies that the higher-placed individuals do not have. And, as said above, free range does not mean quality pasture - it could easily mean 1 hour a day on a dirt lot.

Choline is another vitamin deficiency that can lead to neural tube defects.

thanks! .. I will have to add choline to my notes... didn't have it listed for neural tube defects

 

[peachncrm37]

my method is a bit different.. after trial and error I have found what works very well for me.. just had a 100% hatch rate on shipped ancona eggs.. every air cell detached.. have blue swedish eggs in the incubator that are showing 100% fertility (also had detached air cells).. golden 300s are looking good with only a few clears and the white french muscovy eggs are also showing 100% fertility.. giant pekins,are also looking very good... all of the good eggs should hatch with no issues
eggs that end up going through Austin postal hub several times tend to come in scrambled.. but I also have khaki campbell eggs cooking that are looking good considering they were lost and went through Austin's hub twice

I just unpacked more ancona eggs that came in today's mail (a different seller from the last batch) that only had bubble wrap around the eggs and no other packing.. if they are fertile (did not appear to be scrambled when I just candled them) then they should hatch as well..
More eggs are due in this week... goose and duck... lol.. yeah I get a lot of shipped eggs

Ancona duck??? I'm addicted to them and call ducks. I have 12 eggs cooking now, two dozen more on the way!! My flock right now is young wont be laying until June/July. Can't wait. I have 19 total. I don't even know how many calls I have. Try not to count, plus eggs in the bator and more on the way. LOL

 

[peachncrm37]

Okay guys, after speaking with the breeder I have decided to let her send me more eggs. She has been more than nice this whole time and I definitely don't think she was aware of whatever did cause this. Her incubators are full and she wants to test another batch of eggs before putting anymore eggs up for auction.

Of all call duck eggs I purchased hers was by far the best fertility I've seen so far. So fingers crossed on the batch she's sending me, I will keep it updated on this thread as they progress.

 

[Lacrystol]

There are many, many hatching eggs shipped every year, and very few eggs - shipped or not - that develop neural tube defects.  Something that specific in a group of eggs from one source would be more likely be due to a factor unique to those eggs that does not affect all the other thousands of eggs that are roughly handled during shipping and do not develop neurological developmental defects.  For rough handling to cause the defect in unrelated eggs they would have to be roughed up during the neural tube development, which does not happen until the eggs are incubating.

Genetics is certainly possible.  It could even be that the affected eggs all came from the same duck.  

As far as nutrition, when you have a group of animals some get more of the resources than others.  If there is only a certain amount of food offered, the top dogs get what they want first, and everyone else gets what is left, and if there is not quite enough the bottom feeders get shorted - and those may have deficiencies that the higher-placed individuals do not have.  And, as said above, free range does not mean quality pasture - it could easily mean 1 hour a day on a dirt lot.

Choline is another vitamin deficiency that can lead to neural tube defects.

You make a very good point, especially on the top dog theory because your right, the RULERS of the group, will definitely get top priority.. I COMMEND YOU ON YOUR EXCELLENT POINT OF VIEW!!!!

And yes I believe the eggs came from one particular duck that may have the genetics. But the only true way to narrow it down is by separation and since they are free ranging,does not sound like that would be an option for that particular person. Now if it was me, oh hell yes, I would be trying to find out who's the corporate,.

 

[Lacrystol]

For detached cell incubating help, scroll down to the Shipped Eggs section of Sally Sunshine's Hatching 101 article

https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/hatching-eggs-101

Thank you and I have read that and I have tried it, it was NOT a successful suggestion for me..