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Lacrystol said:
Peach my vet just emailed me back he said it could be cause from rough handling during incubating growth phase which could be from them being shipped.... or genetic defect...
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I have doubts about the rough handling being the culprit.. and here's why

Peach told me that the other ducklings (from her eggs) hatched fine alongside these eggs in the same incubator.. one would think that if Peach had mishandled the eggs that the same defect would have also been seen in her eggs.. not to mention that you would have better odds of winning the lottery than to have the exact same defect in three ducklings and no other signs of defects from mishandling..

Also.. when eggs are shipped either they develop and survive or they don't.. when a growing embryo hits damaged tissue it dies since it essentially bleeds to death.. so either the egg will develop to term or it won't with shipped eggs... there isn't a middle ground where the exact same defect will arise from simple mishandling of the box by the USPS.. lol.. having hatched out thousands of shipped eggs I have NEVER had a defective bird hatch with the same issue that Peach had (any defects were either genetic or dietary such as crossbeak)


As for a genetic issue.. dietary deficiency is still the more likely cause.. simply because most genetic issues will crop up as cross beak chicks or those with extra limbs.. for all three ducklings to have the exact same issue points more to a folic acid issue than to a genetic one..
Now you may ask .. if she had 10 ducklings from those eggs hatch and only three had the issue.. WHY? (I don't know how many hatched for the record).. well.. quite simply it's because some ducklings are more susceptible to dietary deficiencies than others.. like a Niacin deficiency.. you can have an entire flock of ducklings on feed that is a bit lacking.. yet only a handful will show symptoms..
The breeder probably is unaware of any issue.. it may be that they are having their feed mixed for them and the last batch was missing a key ingredient.. or even a bad batch from the feed mill of prepackaged feed.. I know we have starter feed from our local feed store that is hit or miss on Niacin.. fine for chicks.. but you can't trust it for ducklings simply because you never know when it may be running a bit short on the Niacin.. so I have to buy feed for any ducklings from a different supplier instead of taking the chance with a bad bag of feed
 
yinepu said:
I have doubts about the rough handling being the culprit.. and here's why

Peach told me that the other ducklings (from her eggs) hatched fine alongside these eggs in the same incubator.. one would think that if Peach had mishandled the eggs that the same defect would have also been seen in her eggs.. not to mention that you would have better odds of winning the lottery than to have the exact same defect in three ducklings and no other signs of defects from mishandling..

Also.. when eggs are shipped either they develop and survive or they don't.. when a growing embryo hits damaged tissue it dies since it essentially bleeds to death.. so either the egg will develop to term or it won't with shipped eggs... there isn't a middle ground where the exact same defect will arise from simple mishandling of the box by the USPS.. lol.. having hatched out thousands of shipped eggs I have NEVER had a defective bird hatch with the same issue that Peach had (any defects were either genetic or dietary such as crossbeak)


As for a genetic issue.. dietary deficiency is still the more likely cause.. simply because most genetic issues will crop up as cross beak chicks or those with extra limbs.. for all three ducklings to have the exact same issue points more to a folic acid issue than to a genetic one..
Now you may ask .. if she had 10 ducklings from those eggs hatch and only three had the issue.. WHY? (I don't know how many hatched for the record).. well.. quite simply it's because some ducklings are more susceptible to dietary deficiencies than others.. like a Niacin deficiency.. you can have an entire flock of ducklings on feed that is a bit lacking.. yet only a handful will show symptoms..
The breeder probably is unaware of any issue.. it may be that they are having their feed mixed for them and the last batch was missing a key ingredient.. or even a bad batch from the feed mill of prepackaged feed.. I know we have starter feed from our local feed store that is hit or miss on Niacin.. fine for chicks.. but you can't trust it for ducklings simply because you never know when it may be running a bit short on the Niacin.. so I have to buy feed for any ducklings from a different supplier instead of taking the chance with a bad bag of feed
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OK but Peach ISN"T going to Rough handle her own eggs, so your theory makes NO since. So If Rough handling was a cause, she would have to do this with her own eggs in order to produce the same results and no one in there right mind is going to do that?

But again he stated Most likely a genetic defect and Rough handling could be a Possibility..

Actually she had 12 eggs from the same place and 1 survived while 3 had the same defect and the others Died off..

Hum, I'm just not sure about the "feed Theory". I can't see that if they are Free rangers. They would get all the Fresh supplements they need with just walking around the yard collecting bugs and worms and what not.... But then again, we don't know if they are free rangers so the Feed theory could be a possibility..
 
1muttsfan said:
X2 on the deficiency. The breeder may also be feeding the wrong feed, or supplementing with foods that reduce the vitamin content to help decrease costs.
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OK so what if they are Free rangers? I would think if they are lacking something in there feed, being free rangers, they could compensate for that..


I would think all the eggs would be a total lost with the same deficiency because they all are eating the exact food? Sorry not quite convinced on the Feed theory yet. Keep trying though. LOL
 
1muttsfan said:
X2 on the deficiency. The breeder may also be feeding the wrong feed, or supplementing with foods that reduce the vitamin content to help decrease costs.
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yup.. it's usually the extras that are fed which lower the overall vitamins..

I remember a few years ago a friend of ours had her ducks free ranging.. fed them minimal feed but LOTS of bread (she worked at a restaurant and would bring home leftover dinner rolls).. her hatch rates dropped and her birds started having health issues because of the excess bread even though her ducks did have commercial feed plus access to grass and bugs.. they would fill up on the bread which caused their overall nutrition to suffer
 
yinepu said:
yup.. it's usually the extras that are fed which lower the overall vitamins..

I remember a few years ago a friend of ours had her ducks free ranging.. fed them minimal feed but LOTS of bread (she worked at a restaurant and would bring home leftover dinner rolls).. her hatch rates dropped and her birds started having health issues because of the excess bread even though her ducks did have commercial feed plus access to grass and bugs.. they would fill up on the bread which caused their overall nutrition to suffer
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Ok well something like that I could see but again, I doubt it that this is the case in Peach's issue.
 

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