Dandichook's Quail Growth Tracking thread

Dandichook

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I decided to start this thread since it's of interest to me and I thought my obsessive data-tracking might be useful to someone else in the future. This is mostly a sort of diary recording chick growth rates and dress out data.

Background first, then data in post 2:

We got our first batch of Coturnix Quail eggs ever from Godfather Farm in early April this year. We bought 50 Jumbo Wilds and 24 Celadon eggs. Egg weights ranged between 9g-18g (neither the smallest nor largest hatched) with an average of around 13g. They hatched on Easter week, and we call April 15 their official hatch date for simplicity. Total hatch was 48, 5 of which were assisted. 4 of the assists died within the first 72 hours or so. We have had no mortalities other than culls since then.

Initially we marked all Celadon babies with intent of keeping them visually separated from the Wilds, but that failed really fast. A dab of nontoxic paint on the head worked for a while, but we didn't reapply often enough and lost track of several of them within the first week. Oops. It's a learning process!

At about 3 weeks we began attempting to band chicks for identification, with mixed success. By about week 5 we had it more or less functional. I have weight data beginning at age 3 weeks (weighing happens on the first day of the new week--day 7, 14, 21...) which is mostly accurate. A few chicks dropped bands and we had to extrapolate and reassign legbands, so at the individual bird level it isn't perfect, but at a broad level the data is useful.

Regarding colors: We were expecting the Celadon batch to be a mix of colors and were fine with that, but around a third of all our birds (Jumbo Wilds included) hatched out red or red tux, and two white. We initially liked that, but after realizing how bad we are at vent sexing, we've decided it's feather-sexable or bust for us. This unfortunately narrowed our pool for potential keepers (our hopes was to narrow down to the best 2 males and 6-10 females). That may flex over the next 3 weeks, though.

Our intention has always been to keep quail for meat and eggs. We have culled several birds already--one much earlier than we hoped, because he was violently attacking other birds and bloodying them. We then separated our males when they began crowing, and had to harvest a lot of them at only 6 weeks due to fighting and crowing--we are in a tight suburban lot and can't risk the neighbors getting upset.This was absolutely necessary, as one morning my SO counted over 40 crows between 4am and 5am, well before sunrise. Yikes!

This left us with 6 males in the running for potential breeder, and is apparently also when the testosterone kicked in, because despite the fact that only 6 males were kept in 12 square feet with a bucket for a hiding spot/visual barrier without any girls in sight, it turned into Quail Fight Club. We also discovered that our hen grow-out cage contained two sneaky red males. So after some evaluations this weekend at 7 weeks we culled the most aggressive 3 males, the two red males, and two female reds for a variety of reasons.

For the record, all our culls are being used for meat. Turns out we like quail meat a lot! We will also include dress out weights as well.

This leaves us with around 16 hens and 3 males. We will continue evaluating our males for breeders and spend the next 3 weeks evaluating hens until a final harvest at 10 weeks old.

Data to follow in my next post showing weights from 3 weeks to 7 weeks.
 
Data time!
ID info: "B" at the beginning means Celadon.

Weights are in grams.

D.O. Weight = Dress out weight (plucked, gutted, no heads, with feet on).

Sorry for the delayed post, it took longer to type up on my phone than I expected!

IDSexColor34567D.O. WeightNotes
B001FWhite121.9143.6164.7172.5n/a128.3
B002mR Tux156.6170.5194.2211.1214.9163.2Sneaky male
B004FRed141.8166.9183.9203.4212.6166.6
B006FEgypt.117.2134.7155.2163.5180.4
B007mR Tux143.4171.3172.9192.8193.7158.2Sneaky male
B008FPharoah135162.3167.8188221.5
B011FR Tux 141.3174.9190.3217.8215.6160
B018FR Tux141.2162.3174.6187.5214.3
B023FR Tux 135.6(?)170.8180.9n/a139
G003FPharaoh tux181.8215.5231.8251.7263.5
G007MEgypt 132.1161.9173.6188.7N/A159.1
G010FRed146.8174190212.5225
G011FPharoah 154.4166182.4184.5229.7
G012MPharoah 148.5170185.9182.5na158.5Aggro cull
G013MEgypt123.3150.5166179.2na137.6
G014mEgypt 121.5149.2159.2179na134.5
G015FPharoah 150.9186.8206.5230.7253.6
G016MEgypt 181.5205.1207.6224.2na182.1
G019MPharoah 155.3180.5197.7213.7216.1
G020MPharoah 148.1187.6200.3214.8na173.4Aggro cull
G021FPharoah 135.9?197.8232.4243.6
G022MPharoah 137.9162.2189.6206.1na168.5
G024FPharoah 142.1?191.9209.5236.1
G025FPharoah 165.7195.4204.6227.5250.0
G026FEgypt 103.4155.5168.1203.9
G027FR Tux 141.1171.6177.1191.4na144.9
G028MWhite130153.3170181.7na139.9
G030FPharoah 148.1185.1195.7212.4232.6
G039FPharoah 145.6181.7191.5223.5235.1
G045MPharoah 146.8186207.6221.9222.5
G067FFalb Fee188.4220.4235235.7268.6
G075MPharoah 149.1179.3200.8232.8230.3186.6
G076MFalb Fee165.5195.5209.9216.7218.7
G092MPharoah 128.2168.7185.6196.8na156.6
P001FR Tux 133.8166179.3185.4na149.3
P002FR Tux 125.3152.3159.4168.5na128.6
P003MR Tux 154.9183194.3200.6na155.2
P004MPharoah 140.3168.3180.5190.8na153.9
P005MPharoah 147.2173.2182.9nana153.2Aggro cull
P006MPharoah 146.9180.9195.4208.1216.6170.6
P007FPharoah 140.4169.4179.4196.7219.5
P008MRed141.4170.6184.9181.5na135.6
P011MPharoah 146.4183.6205.9217.9209.2171.1
P012FPharoah 140.8163.8175.9204.4236.4
 
Week 8 update.

We switched leg bands on a few as we're upsizing them to our numbered plastic bands. As a result, 2 IDs have changed:
P007 = G001
P012 = G002
IDSexColorWeek 8Notes
B006FEgypt163.7
B008FPharoah231.5
B018FR Tux250.2
G001FPharoah258.6Was P007
G002FPharaoh250.1
G003FPharaoh tux300.6
G010FRed264.5
G011MPharoah231.3Misidentified, actually male
G015FPharoah293.3
G019MPharoah224.9
G021FPharoah271.2
G024FPharoah267.2
G025FPharoah281.7
G026FEgypt211.7
G030FPharaoh257.5
G039FPharoah280.2
G045MPharoah226.4
G067FFalb fee305.8
G076MFalb fee213.6


So we saw some weird weight loss in a few girls. All we can figure is that last week we must have caught some right before they laid an egg, and today right after. 🤷

As for the males, they seem to have pretty well stopped growing entirely, which is a little disappointing. We were hoping to see them get a little bit bigger, especially since they're pretty isolated from other males at this point.

In other news, some of the girls started laying as of two days before they turned 7 weeks old, and we have gotten steadily more as the days pass. It was 3 eggs the first three days, then four, then five, then seven. So we're pleased with that! We also got our first Celadon egg today--amusingly it happened immediately after we weighed them, in the tub we use to hold them while weighing!
 
IDSexColor10wk liveDress weightDress %Notes
B006FEgypt217.7Breeder
B008FPharoah241.7Breeder
B018FR Tux251.3184.673.46%
G001FPharoah181***
G002FPharoah257.2Breeder
G003FPharaoh tux318.8Breeder
G010FRed268190.371.0%
G015FPharoah305.2Breeder
G019MPharoah232Breeder
G021FPharoah268.7167.162.19%
G024FPharoah281.5210.874.89%
G025FPharoah317.6Breeder
G026FEgypt250181.672.64%
G030FPharoah270.5Breeder
G039FPharoah273.6203.474.34%Aggro cull
G045MPharoah239.4191.579.99%
G067FFalb Fee300.7Breeder
G076MFalb Fee225.4168.774.84%
.......
..Group AVG261.13187.2572.79%
..Group AVG excluding G001*265.84

Yikes my guys, this is so late. No excuses, I just procrastinated. All data was taken on the 10week mark, except for slaughter which technically occurred a few days later...blame helping family move house, which occupied us on what would have been slaughter day!

Not terrible final weights, though not as much as we hoped for. I noticed a big difference in dress out percentage between males and females at this stage, because each female had between 2 and 5 eggs in various states inside her, so her dress out weight was a little lower than you'd expect. (On the other hand, eggs!!)

As you can see, we have more females left alive than initially intended, including ***G001 who is a TINY gal, but she might win a spot with sheer personality. She has definitely put on some weight since her drastic loss, so whatever was going on seems to have worked itself out. G001 is the only bird we have who happily approaches for attention and allows herself to be held and handled docilely, and frankly that's worth breeding into a line, for us.

We may narrow down to 6 females pending our fertility rate, but for now the extra eggs have been nice.

Speaking of fertility, we know this 9:1 ratio may negatively effect it, and as such today we set 18 eggs from the group to see how fertility shakes out. We probably won't keep any of the resulting birds, as this is more a fertility test and to see how the group produces (in terms of size, weight gain, color, etc.).

We are also expecting a batch of 50 eggs from Myshire farms in the next few weeks, and will be tracking both groups closely. I may end up just making a Google Doc spreadsheet that will be easier to update. That will also make it easier to compare things like growth rate and dress out %.

Now for egg data!
We selected for egg size, excluding smaller and dirtier eggs. Of the 18 eggs, 6 are Celadon and weigh between 11.1 and 11.5 grams, and the remaining 12 are spotted and weigh between 11.6 and 13.6 grams. We did not get any larger eggs out of the entire batch that we saved, which totaled 30 eggs. Eventually we would like eggs to be closer to 14 grams, which is why we're selecting for larger sized eggs. (The smallest egg we collected over this period was 10.3 grams, and was not actually a Celadon egg.) Our collection window was about 4-5 days, and eggs were stored in the 76F house on a table, tilted twice daily while waiting.

Hope everyone is all good!!


Editing, same day as posted.

***G001-- I knew she had been gaining weight just because her body condition has seemed better, but she hadn't been weighed for a few weeks, so I just ran out and grabbed her. Happy to report she's at a solid 253.3 grams! She was displeased that I interrupted Her Majesty's Official Afternoon Dust Bath, but deigned to allow me to weigh her anyways. She got a pat in thanks. Pics (forgive the dirt encrusting her head, see above dust bath), also showing the type of plastic leg ring we use, because G001 is a Good Girl and poses for me. She even allowed me to mess with the tag until the lettering was visible for the photo. She deserves a treat. đź’•

The pic in hand is how she gets carried around. No fear of her flying off!

Ps don't mind her underbite. She injured her beak a while back--was not born with it like this. Hope it grows back
 

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That's an impressive lot of data, very nice job. I'm very curious about the weight difference from 6 weeks to 10 weeks so will keep an eye on this thread! Best of luck to you and keep it up!
Thanks! I plan to update weekly as I go. Unsure how big these guys will top out to, so we'll see I guess.
Thanks for this. It's good to have this kind of data for reference.
No problem! I hope it'll be useful for others.

As an unrelated note, the ID numbers aren't consecutive because we changed our ID system partway through. Little wonky, hopefully future batches will be more consecutive and successful.
 
I think I will have to agree, my next hatch the boys are going to be eaten at 6 weeks and the girls can stay a bit longer! Have you had them all stay together or did you separate the boys? I imagine you will start to see some fighting soon?

Oh yeah! Nothing beats a quail egg, pure deliciousness!
I apologize for the delay! I definitely forgot to reply. No excuses.

I did separate the boys from the girls early on at around week 5-ish, because we were seeing fighting. That settled things down...sort of...for a short time. Then they started up badly enough that we culled heavily at week 6 because of incessant fighting and crowing, leaving just our potential breeder males (and all the ones we couldn't sex. We are REAL bad at vent sexing. Also we had a few feather sexable ones who looked like girls but turned into boys.).

In fact, we sadly had to cull one this week because she turned out to be a he, and the two other (much more mature) males beat him up so bad we didn't feel trying to doctor him up would be humane since he was going to be a meat bird anyways. "She" was G011, and isn't going to be included here with a dress-out wright because we didn't process him for meat, as we were concerned for the safety of the meat (worried about infection--we probably could have eaten it safely, but didn't want to risk it). His final (live) weight was 171.3g.

So--yeah, violence has definitely been an issue, even though we have been stocking them at 1 to 2 sq ft per bird. 🤷 Guess they're just ***holes. (We have an order in with Myshire for a shipment of eggs and will be very interested to see how the temperaments of those birds compare. If they are significantly less aggressive, we may just cull this entire batch and replace them with the Myshire birds. But that's a story for another time.)



Anyhow, sorry for being late with this. We had a very busy weekend and didn't get to weigh them until today ..though I don't think we missed any real growth. It's been over 100F here a few days this week and our feed consumption has dropped considerably, and the birds in the outdoor coop have basically not grown...at all, which is disappointing. The birds in the screened porch, meanwhile, are still growing just fine, so we're fairly sure it's the heat putting them off food. This week's data should be taken with a grain of salt--I look forward to seeing how the next batch compares.

Data for week 9:
IDSexColorWk 9Other
B006FEgypt185.6
B008FPharaoh 250.7
B018FR Tux 230.1
G001FPharoah 189.4**
G002FPharoah 265.1
G003FTux Pharaoh329.2
G010FRed258.8
G015FPharoah 312
G019MPharoah 230.3#
G021FPharoah 280.1
G024FPharoah 296.6
G025FPharoah 323.1
G026FEgypt 221.9
G030FPharoah 266.2
G039FPharoah 271.5
G045MPharoah 233.6
G067FFalb Fee313.4
G076MFalb Fee230


** I don't know why she lost so much weight. She is in the outdoor group, and definitely feels too thin. I'm worried about her, especially since she is the only bird we have that happily comes over to investigate treats and eat out of our hands. Hoping she isn't ill. She seems okay other than being thin.

# This guy will probably be out breeder. The girls like him and he doesn't mind sharing girls with other males.

Our plan was originally to make final breeder selections and harvest all other birds this coming weekend. We have family who will be here then though so they may be a few days later than exactly week 10 in deference to that, but will update with final weights at that time.
 
That's an impressive lot of data, very nice job. I'm very curious about the weight difference from 6 weeks to 10 weeks so will keep an eye on this thread! Best of luck to you and keep it up!
 
Interesting about the weight loss! I can see why some people cull for meat at 6 weeks and don't wait until 8 weeks.. curious to see how they're doing at 10 weeks now!

Congratulations on your eggs especially the celadon! Thank you for keeping this wonderful information coming!
 
I think I will have to agree, my next hatch the boys are going to be eaten at 6 weeks and the girls can stay a bit longer! Have you had them all stay together or did you separate the boys? I imagine you will start to see some fighting soon?

Oh yeah! Nothing beats a quail egg, pure deliciousness!
 

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