Dandichook's Quail Growth Tracking thread

I apologize for the delay! I definitely forgot to reply. No excuses.

I did separate the boys from the girls early on at around week 5-ish, because we were seeing fighting. That settled things down...sort of...for a short time. Then they started up badly enough that we culled heavily at week 6 because of incessant fighting and crowing, leaving just our potential breeder males (and all the ones we couldn't sex. We are REAL bad at vent sexing. Also we had a few feather sexable ones who looked like girls but turned into boys.).

In fact, we sadly had to cull one this week because she turned out to be a he, and the two other (much more mature) males beat him up so bad we didn't feel trying to doctor him up would be humane since he was going to be a meat bird anyways. "She" was G011, and isn't going to be included here with a dress-out wright because we didn't process him for meat, as we were concerned for the safety of the meat (worried about infection--we probably could have eaten it safely, but didn't want to risk it). His final (live) weight was 171.3g.

So--yeah, violence has definitely been an issue, even though we have been stocking them at 1 to 2 sq ft per bird. 🤷 Guess they're just ***holes. (We have an order in with Myshire for a shipment of eggs and will be very interested to see how the temperaments of those birds compare. If they are significantly less aggressive, we may just cull this entire batch and replace them with the Myshire birds. But that's a story for another time.)



Anyhow, sorry for being late with this. We had a very busy weekend and didn't get to weigh them until today ..though I don't think we missed any real growth. It's been over 100F here a few days this week and our feed consumption has dropped considerably, and the birds in the outdoor coop have basically not grown...at all, which is disappointing. The birds in the screened porch, meanwhile, are still growing just fine, so we're fairly sure it's the heat putting them off food. This week's data should be taken with a grain of salt--I look forward to seeing how the next batch compares.

Data for week 9:
IDSexColorWk 9Other
B006FEgypt185.6
B008FPharaoh250.7
B018FR Tux230.1
G001FPharoah189.4**
G002FPharoah265.1
G003FTux Pharaoh329.2
G010FRed258.8
G015FPharoah312
G019MPharoah230.3#
G021FPharoah280.1
G024FPharoah296.6
G025FPharoah323.1
G026FEgypt221.9
G030FPharoah266.2
G039FPharoah271.5
G045MPharoah233.6
G067FFalb Fee313.4
G076MFalb Fee230


** I don't know why she lost so much weight. She is in the outdoor group, and definitely feels too thin. I'm worried about her, especially since she is the only bird we have that happily comes over to investigate treats and eat out of our hands. Hoping she isn't ill. She seems okay other than being thin.

# This guy will probably be out breeder. The girls like him and he doesn't mind sharing girls with other males.

Our plan was originally to make final breeder selections and harvest all other birds this coming weekend. We have family who will be here then though so they may be a few days later than exactly week 10 in deference to that, but will update with final weights at that time.
Not a worry! Real life comes first!

Yep, quail are horrible to each other. I don't know if where you get them from will make much of a difference, our quails have always been like that no matter where we've sourced the eggs.

We've been suffering from the heat too, our birds reduced their consumption and instead have been absolutely guzzling their water. I really can't blame them honestly!

That's a massive weight loss, wonder if it is just to do with the weather? From what I've read birds can choose to unstore fat to help deal with increasing temperatures. Though it's never explicitly mentioned quail so maybe they can't. Hopefully she's okay.. our favourite little birdie died last week (super cuddly one), sucks!
 
Not a worry! Real life comes first!

Yep, quail are horrible to each other. I don't know if where you get them from will make much of a difference, our quails have always been like that no matter where we've sourced the eggs.

We've been suffering from the heat too, our birds reduced their consumption and instead have been absolutely guzzling their water. I really can't blame them honestly!

That's a massive weight loss, wonder if it is just to do with the weather? From what I've read birds can choose to unstore fat to help deal with increasing temperatures. Though it's never explicitly mentioned quail so maybe they can't. Hopefully she's okay.. our favourite little birdie died last week (super cuddly one), sucks!
Thanks for understanding!

Oh no. That's not what I wanted to hear! I have been really hoping we just have an unusually violent line. Well, we'll be culling heavily for aggression. After seeing how these males go at each other, that's become more important to us than size. You can't get along with your buddies, you get invited to dinner (new house motto!).

Sorry to hear you've been having the same issue. You're right though, can't blame them for not wanting to eat in the heat.

I didn't know that, will have to look into it! Thanks for the tip. I might shift her into the coop on the covered patio and see if it makes any difference for her.

Sorry you lost your favorite! That really sucks. ☹️
 
Thanks for understanding!

Oh no. That's not what I wanted to hear! I have been really hoping we just have an unusually violent line. Well, we'll be culling heavily for aggression. After seeing how these males go at each other, that's become more important to us than size. You can't get along with your buddies, you get invited to dinner (new house motto!).

Sorry to hear you've been having the same issue. You're right though, can't blame them for not wanting to eat in the heat.

I didn't know that, will have to look into it! Thanks for the tip. I might shift her into the coop on the covered patio and see if it makes any difference for her.

Sorry you lost your favorite! That really sucks. ☹️
You may have a more violent line than normal though, I couldn't compare as I separated our girls with their boys at 4 weeks and the other males stayed all together in a bachelor pad. They couldn't see the other girls so didn't seem to be so aggressive 😊

That's a good motto to have! More food for us!

Is it possible you also weighed her before laying last time but this time after laying? Not sure how much an egg weighs though honestly lol

It's a part of life, not a great part but things happen and that's okay. That's why we have more and more chicks!
 
I just discovered this thread and find it very interesting. I placed it on my watch list so I won't miss any updates. I'm interested to know what numbered bands you are using.
 
Adore, thank you! Glad this helps you. Good luck on getting your flocks started!!

Quick updoot. Incubation went well until right around lockdown, when we had a temp spike on one shelf up to 106. Only one egg from that shelf hatched, which was disappointing. There were a few which would have hatched if it hadn't spiked, I think. Still not sure what caused the spike, will have to troubleshoot it.

Anyways, total hatch was 6 jumbo, 1 Celadon out of the batch of 12J & 6C. More than 50% were fertile, though I can't find the paper where I wrote it all down for exact #s. I expect without that spike we'd have closer to 10 chicks.

I didn't band them on removal from the incubator to avoid stress or injury to their tiny little legs, but hatch day weights were:
Jumbo: 8.3, 7.5, 8.2, 8.5, 7.5, 8.0 grams
Celadon: 7.7 grams

Weighed and tagged everybody the day before yesterday (at around 10 days--sorry, been busy!):

* 1 Jumbo was assist hatched and had curled toes. We treated it with a band aid shoe and now I can't tell who it was. I assume the smallest since it was the last out of the shell but 🤷‍♀️

Also, one of the ones I marked Wild may in fact be Falb Fee. I'm not confident enough yet in IDing colors to say for sure, so will keep an eye on it as we go.


ID
ColorWeight (grams)
G004Wild73.2
G005Wild72.7
G006Wild60.1
G007Wild75.0
G008Wild74.1
G012Wild58.7
B001Egyptian51.9

Edit to add: Oh, and this time around I have been playing with their feed. I gave them 30% protein starter on days 1-3, but have since backed them down to 28%. This seems to have resulted in significantly less watery, constant poops, which is a vast improvement over the first batch. (Poop machines. Never seen anything poop so much in my entire life.) I will continue them on 28% and see if this continues to result in cleaner feet.
 
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Interesting about the weight loss! I can see why some people cull for meat at 6 weeks and don't wait until 8 weeks.. curious to see how they're doing at 10 weeks now!

Congratulations on your eggs especially the celadon! Thank you for keeping this wonderful information coming!
Yeah! I might update with specific weight gain numbers, but only one or two girls didn't gain weight. We even saw some who put on 30+ grams over last week, so on the whole we're thrilled.

If we see this sort of growth rates out of our next batch though we have agreed that most/all males will get processed at week 6. We just haven't seen enough growth after that point in any male (as opposed to females, which have continued growing for the most part) to justify either the continued feed costs or the malcontent they create in the grow out pen.

Thanks though!! We're very thrilled with the eggs. We'll have our first quail egg scramble tomorrow morning!
 
You may have a more violent line than normal though, I couldn't compare as I separated our girls with their boys at 4 weeks and the other males stayed all together in a bachelor pad. They couldn't see the other girls so didn't seem to be so aggressive 😊

That's a good motto to have! More food for us!

Is it possible you also weighed her before laying last time but this time after laying? Not sure how much an egg weighs though honestly lol

It's a part of life, not a great part but things happen and that's okay. That's why we have more and more chicks!
I hope so! Our bachelor pad was out of sight of the girls, too. Fight club, all day. 🤷

Very possible! Ours have been averaging around 13 grams (lol i might be obsessed with measuring things, but my SO has agreed to getting some electronic calipers to measure leg diameter, so I'm just gonna lean into it), so it doesn't entirely make up the difference, but it would be significant.

Very true, and a good outlook to have!
 
I just discovered this thread and find it very interesting. I placed it on my watch list so I won't miss any updates. I'm interested to know what numbered bands you are using.
I'm using some bands I found on amazon. The brand is iherdsman and they're called "multi-color bird leg bands numbered".

I buy the 8mm size, although if I could find them I'd buy 7mm instead (sadly not available unless I order like 10k of them to be custom made and shipped from China). They absolutely won't work for standard sized quail. They fall off too easily on smaller birds.

For chicks (or smaller birds) I use small colored rubber bands ranging in size from 1/8 inch (a little over 3mm) for baby-babies, then graduating to 3/16 inch (4.75 mm), then to 1/4 inch (6.3mm) as they age. I weigh the birds weekly, which affords plenty of handling time to ensure bands can be removed before they start outgrowing them, but I recommend against the 1/8" bands if you don't handle routinely, as they grow quickly.
 
I love your thread! I am thinking about getting some quail when I get my chickens this coming spring. I think the information you're creating is awesome and I hope to do something similar.
 

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