d'anver lovers,discuss the breed and post some pics!

[KrisH]

Alyssa, you definitly have some good looking birds. I like what Aubrey and JJ have said. If at all possible give them time to grow up, you never know what will really turn out.

JJ you boy sure is a good looking guy.

I really need to go take pictures of mine. Need to get Robert out there with a camera. My millies have such a difference in pattern, the 2 goldneck pullets have minor flaws on has some feathers on her legs, but her color is nice, so I know I can use her, the other one looks really good, but does have 1 wing feather with black. Again, I really think I can use her. My Gold NEck boy is lacking in type and some color, but I think I shouldnt use him because he has bad feet, crooked toes.Now my porcelain boy looks nice and the porcelain pullet is really good type and her color. I think.

Seeing all these pictures and comments from those who know more, I think I really have the type in my head.

Ok I am going to nag robert to help get pictures.

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

Kris- crooked toes are not necessarliy genetic, most are caused by incubation problems, I think. Any way I used a porcelain rooster with crooked toes and never saw any in the chicks. I hace noticed that the ones you help hatch usually end up with bad feet or hock problems. I think it is something to do with the struggle to hatch that makes them strong and straightens all that out.

jj

 

[BantamBabesFarm]

Thanks all.

JJ- Thanks! I will swap them today. I actually have One quail roo with a blue hen already so how about if I put all my blue girls with that quail roo and then put some quail pullets in with the blue rooster?

Would that work?

Your rooster you posted is sooo pretty

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

That would be better, I think. It will definatly make the blue quail better, they are a little light. I have the same problem here.

jj

 

[BantamBabesFarm]

Okay, I have 3 cages just for these ones... it looks like I really do have an extra quail roo... but, I really like both of them so im gonna keep them both in use for now, see which one looks the best later.

Blue roo + 2 quail hen
Quail roo + 1 BQ, 1 quail hens
Quail roo + 2 BQ Hens

I guess i'll get all the same colors from all three groups... but I dont mind

 

[KrisH]

Kris- crooked toes are not necessarliy genetic, most are caused by incubation problems, I think. Any way I used a porcelain rooster with crooked toes and never saw any in the chicks. I hace noticed that the ones you help hatch usually end up with bad feet or hock problems. I think it is something to do with the struggle to hatch that makes them strong and straightens all that out.

jj

Thanks JJ, I am not thowing him out yet, but it wasnt just the crocked toes, he really doesnt have good type. His comb is wrong, and he is lanky, no bulk to him, so he doesnt look too good. Of course he is just a baby still only 5mo, but in comparison to the porclain he really looks to lack type. Although, he is a goldneck, so I may still keep him around, unless I can find a better roo. So hard. I know I have alot of culling in the future, and alot of breeding, but I am determined to bring the goldneck back to the US, with everyone else who is working on them.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Aubrey, here is the rooster I picked to put with my blue quail pullets, is he too dark?

na he looks just like my better quails

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Thanks JJ, I am not thowing him out yet, but it wasnt just the crocked toes, he really doesnt have good type. His comb is wrong, and he is lanky, no bulk to him, so he doesnt look too good. Of course he is just a baby still only 5mo, but in comparison to the porclain he really looks to lack type. Although, he is a goldneck, so I may still keep him around, unless I can find a better roo. So hard. I know I have alot of culling in the future, and alot of breeding, but I am determined to bring the goldneck back to the US, with everyone else who is working on them.

yes dont cull him, there's nothing that cant be bred out. you have to consider theres only about 20 of them in the US so every one of those are inportant at this time.

The black spot is normal, they will all have it at this point. Donimate white based birds bred to a normal black phase version will not breed out 100% dominate white and the dominate white for a few generations will leave a few black feathers. Just keep breeding them for a couple generations and that goes away. takes about 2 rounds of dom white to dominate white to totally get rid of it.

The foot fuz is because they were recently made off goldneck d'uccles outcrosses to introduce the dominate white to the mille fleur so that's no big deal either. even like mine that have no fuzz, they are still carrying traces of it, so that's why it popped up in your chick. It will breed out easily at this point.

If your porcelain male is excellent, use him over the 2 goldneck hens and all will be fixed.

These will have 1/2 dominate white goldneck and half normal milles. all will carry lavender

That being said, you can back breed the new improved goldnecks and get porcelian with white tails too, which I am doing next year. They should look awesome, porcelain body color, but with goldnecks white markings.

anyway just remember porcelain, goldneck, mille... their all mille fleur, one just has lavender one just has dominate white. So all 3 colors can be bred with very predictable outcomes and no loss of the mille fleur pattern.

Keep that goldneck male though. Dont use him unless you have too, but there's just not enough of them to cull any for any reason at this point. always good to have a back up. If for some reason you lost the 2 girls, you could use him over mille girls and be right back in it.

 

[KrisH]

yes dont cull him, there's nothing that cant be bred out. you have to consider theres only about 20 of them in the US so every one of those are inportant at this time.

The black spot is normal, they will all have it at this point. Donimate white based birds bred to a normal black phase version will not breed out 100% dominate white and the dominate white for a few generations will leave a few black feathers. Just keep breeding them for a couple generations and that goes away. takes about 2 rounds of dom white to dominate white to totally get rid of it.

The foot fuz is because they were recently made off goldneck d'uccles outcrosses to introduce the dominate white to the mille fleur so that's no big deal either. even like mine that have no fuzz, they are still carrying traces of it, so that's why it popped up in your chick. It will breed out easily at this point.

If your porcelain male is excellent, use him over the 2 goldneck hens and all will be fixed.

These will have 1/2 dominate white goldneck and half normal milles. all will carry lavender

That being said, you can back breed the new improved goldnecks and get porcelian with white tails too, which I am doing next year. They should look awesome, porcelain body color, but with goldnecks white markings.

anyway just remember porcelain, goldneck, mille... their all mille fleur, one just has lavender one just has dominate white. So all 3 colors can be bred with very predictable outcomes and no loss of the mille fleur pattern.

Keep that goldneck male though. Dont use him unless you have too, but there's just not enough of them to cull any for any reason at this point. always good to have a back up. If for some reason you lost the 2 girls, you could use him over mille girls and be right back in it.

Thanks Aubrey, that really helps. cant wait to start on this, but I am sure it will be spring, unless I get lucky and they start to lay in the winter.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

yep more than likely, and no problem either, if you ever need tips on which way to go with any of them, feel free to ask.

I noticed you said the goldneck male had a bad comb too. I'm guessing it has a single comb? If so that's most likely traced back to the guys use of d'uccle, but remember too, rose comb is dominate over single combed so it will go away when bred to a good girl. You may get a few throw backs here and there just like this guy was, but 90% or so will be right. and all this is again if you HAVE to use him. good milles or porcelains will allow you to keep going and with less type issues though if you dont have to use him.

Then again you could breed him to milles or porcelain girls and start a second line with new blood in it too. Just a second possiblity to go with