d'anver lovers,discuss the breed and post some pics!

[laseterlass]

Sounds lovely Warmheart I am on FB Belgian Bearded Bantam group Europe has many variants that we lack

 

[laseterlass]

Sounds lovely Warmheart I am on FB Belgian Bearded Bantam group Europe has many variants that we lack

 

[laseterlass]

I have a question about color dominance on chocolate birds I don't dare ask it in the proper group for fear of being beheaded I have chocolate birds 2 of which have a few white spots on wing feather tips Does it require a dominant white to do this and if so can it be used to make a mottled bird and what would I cross it to to do so

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

SpeckledHen, I am glad that you are back in your house now. I'm wishing you and your family good things as you move forward. Sounds like your Mina, Carly and Aimee are super Mamas! Thanks again for putting up their pictures... it's what gave me the nudge to bring d'Anvers into my life. Thank you!


Aubrey, Some of my d'Anvers must be related to SpeckledHen's "Pocket Penny," because I've gotta check my hands before I come indoors-- might be a d'Anver or two in 'em that I've forgotten I was carrying!

I've got several that insist on being picked up! God forbid my hands are already full of d'Anvers... they fly up to ride on my shoulders and head! And they're mostly all cockerels, too!

They're 7 weeks, and so far, not a mean one in the bunch. All sweet! Okay one cranky one, but he is a dear, too.

haha all of them are, they all came out of the same breeding group here, except for the split to lavender ones she has

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Hahaz My little Cuckoo Roo just spanked my Griwawa for getting to close to his flock I have two rooster One darker Cuckoo and larger One lighter Cuckoo and more dominant slighter built I can only keep one the hens are dark Cuckoo and black with a white throat Which would be better

the lighter one will be better for breeding and showing

ETA as long as type is good on him

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Do mille fleur roosters usually have caramel-colored beards, or do some have black beards? A few of the cockerels have black fringes coming in. Just curious!

usually black and white mottled, but can be red mottled too, they will change a million times before the grow up... just one of those colors that gets better with age on the bird

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

Sounds lovely Warmheart I am on FB Belgian Bearded Bantam group Europe has many variants that we lack

haha not for long

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

I have a question about color dominance on chocolate birds I don't dare ask it in the proper group for fear of being beheaded I have chocolate birds 2 of which have a few white spots on wing feather tips Does it require a dominant white to do this and if so can it be used to make a mottled bird and what would I cross it to to do so

yep, It a crying shame that you cant ask a genetics question on here without a all out fight breaking out, some people are so petty and have nothing better to do that pick apart post word by word to try to find something to fight about, and seems most of them stay in that section so I don't blame you.

now for the question.

is it true recessive chocolate, or is it dun?

they are totally different and breed differently.

no a few white tips is not indicative of dominate white. It's usually a pattern gene, usually in a recessive split form.

For example, my dun ( chocolate) mottled birds I'm working with. You cross a solid dun to a mottled and get 50 % dun and 50% black split for mottled.

Now usually a recessive gene is not visible in a split form. But with some of my split mottled birds, the wing and or tail tips are faintly tipped in white. This just lets me know for sure, those did get a copy of the mottled gene in them.

to finish it, I'll just breed these back to a black mottled again. The results ruffly are 50% dun mottled and 50% black mottled

the dun version of chocolate is just like blue, it will come out 50% of the time in a black cross

now for true chocolate, which is a very rare gene in the states, it doesn't. It is sex link recessive, which can be a pain in the butt to keep up with since it's not only recessive, but sex linked also

pretty much with these you cant have split hens, they'll either be chocolate or black

heres how it'll work ruffly

black male to chocolate female gives black pullets and black males, but the males will be split for chocolate

reverse that and do a chocolate male over black hens and you get chocolate pullets and black males split for chocolate

in your case, if mottled is your goal, just sub in black mottled for black. The color results will be the same, just everything will be split for mottled as well.

so in either case. Sounds like you want to make this bird into a mottled version. You will need to find a black mottled bird in the same breed if possible and just cross it as described. Remember any time it's split, you will have to cross back to those mottled parents to get the mottling back. You can also cross chicks back to each other, but you get 25% less mottled off spring that way compared to using a visually mottled bird.

hope that wasn't to scattered all over the place. Let me know if you need any more tips on it.....

oh and if your birds is in fact showing traces of it carrying the mottled gene, you've cut a full year off the project... you'll know on that first cross, you'll either have 75% of them come out mottled, or none of the mottled....

oh and just so you know, dominate white has nothing to do with a bird being mottled, it's just a pattern type gene. dominate white covered all balck based colors ( black, dun, blue, lavender, etc) anything that is a diluter or has a color effect on black.... so if you put dominate white to a black mottled, visually you'd just end up with a all white looking bird....

 

[laseterlass]

Now I am really confused We have been instructed to use a black Roo split for chocolate over our hens to keep the chocolate rich and not dun Does that mean these are not true Chocolates And for the record this thread is great The Duccle and Orpington threads are scary

 

[laseterlass]

the lighter one will be better for breeding and showing

ETA as long as type is good on him

The most upright of them all is the Cuckoo pullet She is lovely to watch We have no APA shows this side of Fairbanks but I do believe I have the only Danvers not from a hatchery around here They still have alot of maturing to do so I will just watch them