d'anver lovers,discuss the breed and post some pics!

[schuloger]

Only on Hens.. the Roosters will be Golden(S/s+) and they will be incomplete Quail as they will be heterozygous for the melanizers that make a complete quail

Make sure I understand it.

I can take a silver hen or rooster to a quail ( hen or cock) and I will get Silver back out but on hens, the male birds will be quail looking...Correct?​

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

sounds good to me Nicalandia,

And no JJ like they said, just on the pullets, the males will be what is sort of a yellow quail. There's been a few posted way back on here that I feel are from similar crosses.
You can take these hens back to you silver male though and go from there, or if you back cross the F1's to each other, you should get a few males that way too. Wonder if they would have any leakage at that point still though? I would focus more on breeding back to the father. Use seperate lines of quail hens to help keep the blood from getting to inbreed if possible.

Another way you can do it to add to you lines would be to cross the silver quail to a good blue or preferably a splash.
All would be blue the first time, The F2's will give you some blue silver quail. From there you'll get blacks too and would be somewhat of a fresh line to work with as there are currently only 2-3 lines of silver quail in the states, so they need a little new blood in them any way. I'm doing it the long way with a lavender version myself, but do plan to put them over both blue and dun next spring too

 

[nicalandia]

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well if the Black Breastd Red hen have red enhancers this could still show up even on silver males.. autosomal red or Mahogany can do this.

Salmon Faveroles carry Mahogany in them and they are Silver(S/S) based

 

[sjarvis00]

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well if the Black Breastd Red hen have red enhancers this could still show up even on silver males.. autosomal red or Mahogany can do this.

Salmon Faveroles carry Mahogany in them and they are Silver(S/S) based
http://i1085.photobucket.com/albums/j437/nicalandia/fav1.jpg

If you breed the golden males back to the Silver females (F1xF1) you will get some like that..

You will have to do the same as I am having to do with my Birchen and brown red. Birchen male x Brown red hen= Birchen pullets and golden Males. keep F1 femeales mate back to birchen, then back to F1 hens for more pullets, Discard all F1 hens at that point, Mate the BC1 male back to Brown Red hens, for the Birchen Pullets and start the process over again.

the F1 pullets will carry the gold (red) enhancers needed to make the golden males darker than the F1 males were, you have to breed away from that to keep them silver.

I expect 3 times around I should have Birchen typed like my brown reds. however if you just need the F1 pullets due to a lack of silver pullets they alone will work so long as you do not use the F1 males, I tried that and there were very few actual Birchen Males, some would be like the male posted above with silver hackle and saddle and red wing bow, and some were a good even golden color through out hackle, saddle, and wing bow.

 

[nicalandia]

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that is the absence of autosomal red, and that is a desired trait when breeding Lemon Blues...

here is a sample of game stags without autosomal red

here is my Boy(no longer have him)

not my bird

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

That's about what I thought. That the red would still most likely leak threw at that stage.

And yes sjarvis,
at least from my point, a lot of this is to gain new lines, or at least put in some freash blood, as in d'anver silver quail are very rare in the states and almost all are related. So from my end, yes it's to just get more lines going to preserve the color in the breed before it gets like the buffs, so old and inbred that they are barren or sterile

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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Make sure I understand it.

I can take a silver hen or rooster to a quail ( hen or cock) and I will get Silver back out but on hens, the male birds will be quail looking...Correct?

If you use a silver quail, yes they'd be yellow quail males and silver quail pullets. Other pattern silvers will effect the pattern of course, but the colors would be the same .

As you can see below, it doesnt matter what pattern, duckwing, birchen, etc, silver to red gives yellow males and silver pullets the first time around

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

So pretty much what I need to do is get the silver genes spread out into enough unrelated birds that I will have enough to work with without getting too imbred. If I paired the silver male with a splash hen and a gold hen then I could keep the chicks seperated because of the color. Then pick the best looking F1 cockrels and cross then with some of the oposite color (blue/yellow to black silver pullets and yellow to blue silver pullets) plus back cross some of each of the pullets to the original male, all the while selecting away from red? Or do I still not have it?

jj

 

[nicalandia]

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you got it...

 

[sjarvis00]

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pen 1 Silver quail male x Quail female= Silver quail females and Golden Males
pen 2 Silver quail male x Splash females= seudo blue silver quail females (some pattern loss) and Blue Silver Males (possible some pattern loss)

Pullets from Pen 1 mated to thier father will result in all silver quail offspring
Pullets from pen 1 mated to males from pen 2 will result in some Silver quail of both sexes, some Blue silver quail of both sexes and some resembling the first cross of splash with the original male.

You can use 1 male to cover 3 pens of two hens each, maximize the silver pullets with 2 pens of quail hens, toe punch seperately by pen, mate males from one pen to pullets from another, this will help genetic diversity.

rotate the male every afternoon, fertility will be better as he will mate the hens shortly after being placed in the pen, and eggs should have already been laid for teh day. So long as he is rotated so that he is covering the each pen every third day fertility should not be a problem.