d'anver lovers,discuss the breed and post some pics!

[chowmaine]

I can't believe there is such a thing as a poultry genetic calculator...just googled it! Amazing!
Is there a certain site/calculator that is recommended? Easy to use?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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yes silver pullets and yellowish cockerels on the first cross, all quail patterned.


Yes there is a genetics calculator for virtually every species of poultry out there, most all made by Henk on here, he is a master at this stuff. Enter your colors in and it has always proved to be acurate in the real world results

I learned off this one

http://kippenjungle.nl/Overzicht.htm#kipcalculator

I am also using his call duck calculator for my projects in those.

 

[Bantam Username]

You say on the 1st cross.......so what would happen if you did what?
Sorry, I'm pretty new to chicken genetics.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

well in the US there's 14 colors in the ABA standard and 9 in the APA standard though many are virtually none existent here.
In Germany there is 30 or so colors.

The US ABA standard is
quail
black
lavender
blue
black mottled
cuckoo
mille fleur
blue quail
buff
bb red
porcelain
white
columbian
buff columbian

Personally I have 30 colors and counting, so really if theres a will , you can make any color your heart desires.

In addition to the US colors, Germany also has silver duckwing, gold duckwing, birchen, silver laced, gold laced, silver quail, lavender silver quail, cream milles, red,goldneck,red pyle,blue buff columbian,blue red, blue silvers,and a few others. Not sure what the standard is in the UK, I've heard they are pretty scarce there.

The colors I currently have are
quail, blue quail, dun quail, khaki quail, splash quail, silver quail, bb red, brown red, blue red, crele,cuckoo, blue cuckoo, dun cuckoo, lavender cuckoo, buff,black mottled, dun mottled,white, black, blue, splash, dun,ginger red, mille fleur, blue milles, splash milles, porcelain, lavender, red pyle, columbian, buff columbian, blue buff columbian, lavender buff columbian, lavender barred columbian....might be a bit over 30

Ones I am working on
buff laced, gold laced, silver laced, goldneck, lavender silver quail, khaki, khaki mottled, blue mottled, lavender quail, barred quail, silver duckwing, gold duckwing, birchen, lemon milles and a few others. Then various combos of these in blue, dun, barred, dominate white, mottled and lavender

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

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That's what you'd get the first time on the colors you mentioned

Now with these, depending on which way you wanted to go..it will get more detailed and various combos will happen.
Say you took the pullets back to the original father, you took the cockerels back to the mother, or if you crossed siblings.... Most of the time these things can vary greatly on what your F2's ( the second years offspring) will end up being.

It the case of your crossings with the silver quail male to the quail hen

F1 (the first cross) will be silver quail hens and yellowish quail males

depending on how you go this will be the results for your next cross (the F2)

IF you take the silver quail hens back to the original silver quail father, all F2 chicks will be silver quail
IF you take the yellowish males back to the quail mom, you will get 50% quail in both sexes, more silver quail hens and more yellow quail males (you can never make a yellow pullet)
If you back cross the F1 chicks to each other you will get, silver quail in both sexes, yellow quail males, and quail pullets....

 

[Bantam Username]

Okay, thanks thats easy to understand.

I was tempted to keep some pullets fathered by him depending obviously how he turns out and how many unrelated hens I manage to hatch in the spring as so far this year I hatched far more roos than hens with everything.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

YEP it runs that way some times. Just remeber all your pullets will be silvers, so get you a few unrelated quail hens to put on him and let him sire all of them. Keep track by toe punching or some other method of marking which hens came from which mother. If you can them find another silver male, that'd be great, IF not, there is no harm in taking them back to the father. That's aclled line breeding, breeders do it all the time.
By going back to a parent bird, only half the dna is being shared, where as siblings will be sharing the same full dose.
If you did get a new male, great, if not you can still continue to develope the color this way. By keeping up with what pullet was from each mother, you can then do the same with the new silvers. and get some males that are only half related to most of the hens, and so on. With limited numbers in some colors, this is just the way you have to do it. Of course if you can find some blues, you can make more silvers that way too.

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

I like this version of the calculator better--- Chicken Plug-in Calculator

It comes from the same place but easier to use. I can't get it to open in a new window but it will work if you click it.

It has more english and for me easier to understand.

jj

 

[chicken boy sam]

Do they have a genetic calculator where they have a simple, average name for a color... Like this.

Blue+Blue= 50% Blue, 25% Black, 25% Splash

(If that is wrong, sorry, haha That's all I know of genetics

)

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

If to use the calculator I posted above and click the male tab pick a rooster , say Quail. then go to the bl dropdown box and make it blue. Pick the hen and make her blue. Then hit calculate the summary will show you those percentages.

jj