d'anver lovers,discuss the breed and post some pics!

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

haha that's a good one Cynthia... and yep JJ good as fishing!!!

Got to run real quick, headed deer hunting now of all things, will get back with you on those questions

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

ok I'm back

JJ

I have had a few look like her, the questionalbe goldneck that is. She sorta looks like a red pyle in a way to me though. If she is the goldneck, she most likely will be weak patterned, but it's so hard to judge at an early age with those mille based birds.

the 1st brown red looking girls, looks close, little heavy on the breast color.
The second brown red possible girl looks close too, better color, good hackle , just needs a laced breast. Both are possible, breeding will tell the tale on them is about the only way to know for sure.

on the out cross.

There's several ways to do it.

1) have two lines of breed A and breed B to start with.
Breed you F 1 project birds from both lines

Now you have two totally unrelated F 1 groups to start with, you can go a long way on that alone.

It never hurts to go back to the original parent a time or two anyway.
By then you're on F2 -F3 anyway

Then flip flop the matings to the other line of project pure breds.

back and forth like that will get you done.

Now if you want to diversify more. breed them to a blue, dun, lavender, or dominate white unrelated line.

you usually have to do a another cross to get back the color on those chicks.

But then the by product will be more of the normal color phase and yet 1 more new blood line to work with....

That's just a few quick ways to go with it.

In our case, just having 2 lines of d'anvers to back breed to will pretty much be enough to get you there though.

Ask away if you have any more questions on that, want to help you all I can with those .

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

That is pretty much the way I thought. I have been trying to work out the best way to go but when you are dealing with four sets of genes, 3 of which you need a double dose of , it gets messy fast. But I am going to start with the F1 columbian male x brown reds. The silverlaced should be on a birchen so I sure I will need silver birchens along the way. At the same time I am going to cross the silver spangled hamburg with silver quail pullets to start working Db,Pg into a line of birds. maybe the next year start crossing the two lines.

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

sounds like a plan

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

yall all getting teeth work today?? haha

JJ I forgot to add last night, that yes you are right in thinking of the birchen and laced. They do carry lacing in them, so if you had a birchen d'anver ( good luck with that) then yes they'd be a bird to cross with for a laced project. Otherwise just take a true full body laced bird to a silver quail or something with silver in it. Or a normal quial if you want gold laced. Then for buff once they are done just add in a dose of dom white. But the problem with using birchen in any kind of cross is it is very dominate, pretty much covers any other pattern it's crossed to. You could get a handful of laced though off the first back cross on the F 1 chicks though.

I was using old english and sebrights for mine... takes a little work getting type all back right... but any outcross does. 4 years they are pretty darn hard to tell apart.... My F3 red pyle you'd never know came from old english, but still want to take one more year of crossing back next spring before I call them finished.

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

yall all getting teeth work today?? haha

JJ I forgot to add last night, that yes you are right in thinking of the birchen and laced. They do carry lacing in them, so if you had a birchen d'anver ( good luck with that) then yes they'd be a bird to cross with for a laced project. Otherwise just take a true full body laced bird to a silver quail or something with silver in it. Or a normal quial if you want gold laced. Then for buff once they are done just add in a dose of dom white. But the problem with using birchen in any kind of cross is it is very dominate, pretty much covers any other pattern it's crossed to. You could get a handful of laced though off the first back cross on the F 1 chicks though.

I was using old english and sebrights for mine... takes a little work getting type all back right... but any outcross does. 4 years they are pretty darn hard to tell apart.... My F3 red pyle you'd never know came from old english, but still want to take one more year of crossing back next spring before I call them finished.

My thinking is (it has changed a little since last night,so let me know if i am wrong) the brown reds should be birchen. these crossed with silver quail should give me some black F1's . If I do an F1x F1 cross I will end up with some silver birchens, columbians, silver duck wings. Some luck involved but the highest number on the chicken calculator is only 256 (which is alot better than alot of things I have plugged in there). In a nother pen I will cross silver spangled hamburg ( which is also a birchen) with columbian will result in some incomplete laced and double laced, half spangled birds. crossing these with the silver birchens ( that should carry at least one each of Co, Ml) should get me close to silver laced , silver double laced, and silver spangled. I know there are eaiser ways to go but It is possible to end up with 6 new colors of silver from one project . Ambitious and A lot to keep up with but would be really neat if it works.

So what do you think?

 

[Boggy Bottom Bantams]

all sounds right to me, you'll just have a lot of golds starting out if you use the brown reds to silvers, but there's nothing wrong with going both ways on any of those either, with proper breeding you could get them all in silver , red , and gold versions.

I'm wondering if the hamburg is going to be a good laced project starter though. It'll definately get you on the spangled, but I'm in doubts on the laced. Or a true laced at least. The spangled would be awesome on it's own though. Been trying to make a silver mille for a couple years, just havent had the ratios hit yet, or the free birds to really get into hard.

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

Laced is Co/Co Db/Db Pg/Pg Ml/Ml . Spangled is Db/Db Pg/Pg Ml/Ml. Penciled (another possibility) is Db/Db Pg/Pg. It is a lot of genes to get into one bird when not starting with them all in one bird.

I am going to a show in a couple of weeks at Lucusville, Ohio. About 10 miles from Tom Shepherd's house ( I am sure I will be stopping in on the way home) I will look for some silver laced OEGB's or sebrights to help out.

How much of a problem is the hen feathering in the sebrights to get rid of?

 

[NanaKat]

What about the Spangled OEGB for starters:
Here are Ginger and Fred

 

[Backwoods Bntms]

Nice looking chickens but I really need silver.