Day 22 no movement help

[Brie6895]

Ok first I apologize for posting so much and I understand it can be annoying since I am new at this but i just have a few more things to ask! Please help

Some of you who have seen my other post are aware that I still haven't heard any movement or chirps or pips or anything. At 10pm tonight began day 22.

I have my eggs in an egg carton with a dry paper towel covering about 3/4ths of the floor. I do believe that since my thermometer that is built into my little giant is a good 3 degrees off they may be hatching late because the temperature was lower.

I am wondering if it would be ok or suggested that I remove the paper towel on the bottom?

I'm also wondering if I need to take them out of the cartons so I can at least see if any of them are moving?

Would it be terrible if I took one out to candle it to make sure it was still alive or maybe internally pipped?

None of them have moved or pipped and I just brought the humidity up last night it's at about 55 at the moment. I was planning on waiting till they externally pipped but last night I thought maybe It would make the shell softer if I raised it a little bit.

Ok sorry again for the tons of questions! I just need some advice on this and then I will sit on my hands as this is the only other things I can think of that might help things move along faster?

 

[Brie6895]

Thank you I am going to lay him on his side with the zipping up. After about an hour or two if he doesn't get any farther along I guess I'll re read the helping post I've read 30 times lol.

Thank you I have mine at 65 right now and has been all day I might try to raise it to 70

 

[Brie6895]

If the temp was running that low, then they are most likely going to be late! I have done  that before, then I went and bought new thermometers!! The kitchen thermometers were actually $6-7 and I have one that has a probe on a wire so I can put the readout out side of the bator and not have to open it and I think it was $12. Heres to hoping those other 2 make more progress. You can take a q-tip with warm water and try to rub the membrane through the pipped hole of the first egg and that should help moisten the membrane. Does it look White, or is it a clearish color with the veining? If it is white, it is definitely dried out and could make it difficult for the chick to get out.

Ok after your post I decided to help him out slowly. I won't do it again but I felt under the circumstances he was healthy but just tired because the way he had originally been sitting and he couldn't push especially since he was drying in the shell. I took him into the bathroom with the shower on about 3 times in a span of 4 hours. The last bit I let him get out of himself. But when he did (I later realized what happend) his hair from his left wing was dried onto the shell. Im guessing this was from the whole being open for almost 12 hours it was pretty much glued to the shell. Making the egg close to impossibly to get off. I tried to cut the rest of the egg off and left just the membrane attached to his wing. He was flapping around like crazy. All the blood cells were absorbed there was no blood so I felt it was ok. He had the "poop sack" and a bit of the tissue I'm guessing that was the umbilical cord was still attached to him. This originally freaked me out and I figured it would fall off. Plus I had opened the incubator so many times I started to realize now I was jeopardizing my other two eggs who had pips.

At around 2 o'clock am about 30 min after he was finally out I realized he wouldn't stand up and was flipping onto his back. The I started to notice his neck was twisting and he was looking up so far that he would flip over. His eyes went all crazy and I was loosing it I didn't know what too do and was looking up methods to euthanize him. It was a very rough night and my fiancé had gone to bed around midnight, unfortunely he sleeps like a rock so he was of no help and I was all alone deciding what I should do. It looked to be wry neck and for the next hour I gave him tiny drops of save a chick electrolytes from a dropper. I made him a little cubby in the incubator with paper towels to get him to stand at lest but his neck was almost like dead weight flipped back. At 3:30 I decided I didn't know what else to do and if he continued to be that way in the morning I would get my fiancé to cull him.

At about 7:30 this morning I woke up expecting the worse. I walked in and there he was just looking up at me standing up like normal saying good morning. I could not believe my eyes and I'm not sure if it was the vitamins or he just needed some time but I'm happy that I didn't kill him..

Some of you may be reading thinking how stupid it was to help him and I don't plan on doing it again.but I have learned my lesson and I'm just blessed to have a healthy chick as of right now.

Now just waiting on the other baby's, if I come out with 3 I will be happy. I'm thinking the other 8 aren't going to hatch since its day 24 and still no pips.

Oh and more importantly THANK you for all your help!!

 

[Yorkshire Coop]

Hi Yorkshire coop again. Please try not to worry if you believe your temps have been on the low side that is the most likely cause of the late hatch. I would leave until at least day 25. Right now I wouldn't candle them I would try to get that humidity up more. When went into lockdown did you candle to make sure they were still viable for hatching. I mean as in the egg was quite full and dark and possible movement seen. You may not always see a lot of movement as the chick takes up a lot of space.

 

[JadedPhoenix]

Agreed, the 21 day thing is not an absolute. My lovely Regina was hatched out on day 25. She was a lucky one since she is the sole survivor of a batch of 30. My power went out during a snowstorm on day 18 for three days so I only had two to hatch (day 25 and 26) but one only made it a week.

 

[Brie6895]

Thank you both!

Yorkshire i did candle on he 18th day and I noticed some moving and some still had the spider like veins but I could tell they were maybe jut resting. Their air sacks have had me worried especially the Silkie since the didn't seem to grow much. But I did notice it was not as full as some of the pictures I saw..

So leave the paper towel and carton like it is?

Thanks again!

 

[Yorkshire Coop]

Hi yes I would leave all as is if hatch is imminent they will be getting or in position for hatching.

 

[JadedPhoenix]

I have never tried to hatch in an egg carton. It seems to me that it wouldn't give the chick as much freedom in trying to get out though. It would prevent the chick from moving the egg shell as easy. With my incubator, it instructed for the eggs to be removed from the turner and lay them on their side for the last three days.

 

[Brie6895]

I have my FIRST PIP!!!!!!!!!!

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It hasn't done anything for 3 hours but it can take up to 24 hours right??

I hope he makes it out ok! Next time I won't be using the cartons. And will be using 3 thermometers


Thanks for all the help guys! I will keep y'all posted

 

[CrookdBeak13]

I have my FIRST PIP!!!!!!!!!!

It hasn't done anything for 3 hours but it can take up to 24 hours right??

I hope he makes it out ok! Next time I won't be using the cartons. And will be using 3 thermometers


Thanks for all the help guys! I will keep y'all posted

Congrats on the Pip! I use the cartons for lockdown and just hatched out 23/30 with only 1 cull and 2 dead in shell. 4 were eggs that should have been tossed on day 18 (early death ) but I didn't do a day 18 candle (was super late and had to work the next morning.) That being said, I started off incubating in a little giant and I had terrible hatches until I added a computer fan which made the temp stabilize throughout the incubator. I use 2 kitchen thermometers and a digital accurite with humidity readings so that I can compare temps (1 kitchen is digital and the other is analog). My first hatches in the little giant were terrible; like 30% hatch rate and lower. Once I added the fan, I had a 75% and 100% hatch rate. I don't hatch in it as often, as I use the Roll-X that I have and could hatch a rock if it were possible, but I do use the cartons still at lockdown. One thing to be sure of when using cartons- there have to be holes cut in the bottom for air circulation. The paper towel on the wire will be fine, but the wire doesn't normally cause problems.

I hope that helps and if you have any questions feel free to ask! Theres a great wealth of knowledge on hatching here. Theres also an LG thread with a great deal of knowledge as well.