Well, its day 22 and I'm losing hope. We still have observed no movement since day 18 (which turned out to be day 17) So we locked them down a day early. Was that bad? Anyway, Today is most certainly day 22. I will candle them later to look for internal pip & or Movement/condition of veins etc later today when I add some more water. They looked soooo healthy on day 17/18. I don't understand why they would die during lockdown (if they are dead.) I'm well aware of all the many, many, many post and threads in this forums from noobs like my self who not observing movement and are thinking their chicks are dead. But, then they hatch a few days later. I have always been concerned our Bator was a tad on the cool side, and have always expected them to be late. So I find myself asking myself why so worried. I guess I feel I should have seen more movement now. On day 19 I did a timelapse over about a 6 hour period using a GoPro. That video ended up being 4 mins long. so it showed six hours of Incubator shown in 4 mins?!?!? Know what I mean? I saw ZERO movement in that video. I understand they'll be resting and stuff, but 6 hours with ZERO movement? I'd like to Water candle but am afraid to do it this so late in the process. Just in case there is a hairline crack I don't see and I drown the babies. I also worry that placing them in water is parallel with 100% humidity. Actually worse because the weight of the water should assist water seeping through pores in the "Porous" Eggs shell. By that I mean if people say 100% humidity will drown your chicks, why cant 100% Water? even if there are no cracks? I don't get why Water is acceptable but not 100% humidity. I'm not saying it's NOT acceptable, I'm just questioning why it's acceptable. Sorry, I get all cynical when I'm in a worried, anxious or bad mood. I Suppose I have to be careful with that. I have discovered many bird species, including poultry can detect your mood. your true feelings, your vibe. I think if you want to be close to your birds you have to give off good vibes, and you cant fake or act those. I'm worried I could give off negative energy to the babies and kill them. >So paranoid. I go a bit Nutty under these kinds of circumstances. Anyway, I'll report back tomorrow. I am considering an eggtopsy on day 23 or 24. I dont know. I mean I won't know what to look for. but perhaps I can video/photograph it and present it for critique from the community. I'd realy like to know what went wrong. I have a few suspicions, but they are pretty weak suspicions. Nothing serious and no hard reson to belive it. I am fairly convinced Temps and RH% are fine. But I won't know those for sure untill I do a little more calibration and/or fork out for some serious instrumentation. I have one of those Humidity calibration packs coming. But honestly, I think I may just fork out the $$$ and buy something Accurate and reliable. I would have thought a Human Medical Thermometer would be accurate to within just a few points of a degree. I have tested against one of those and it reports the same ~ as the incubator's readout. I think on the next Clutch I will insert the temperature and humidity probe from my outdoor wireless weather station. It has the ability to log the temperature, humidity and air pressure (not that we are worried about that last one). That way I can view a history of the environment in a graph. That would be very handy or observing temp or RH% Spikes or troughs. We'll Se :-S Good Luck All!