Daytime rats eating chicken feed. Not allowed to use rodenticide in my area due to owls, Hawks, coyotes and domestic dogs of course.

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So I found some post but most of them in fact nearly all of them are talking about the rats coming at night.

These critters (rats) are feeding in the day. We're not allowed to use rodenticides in my area due to the family of hawks, owls and even coyotes that live nearby. Also too, there's always the worry about a neighbor's backyard dog getting hold of a poisoned rat so I totally get that. Not to mention when you do use rodenticides, the rodent doesn't die right away they leave their poison impregnated droppings all over whatever area they're walking in whether that be the chicken run or elsewhere. So it's probably just as well we're not allowed to use them.

So I've tried treadle feeders, I even tried that feeder that if any weight is pulled on it it covers the feeding slot. Seemed like a good idea but the problem was that it would jam too easily with pellets and I even tried crumbles and the stupid thing would jam. So I tried that kind of feeder also.

I've tried traps, I've tried those electrocute boxes for rats, even paid for a couple hundred dollar Plus rat killer device that when they reached up for the food it would slug them in the head with a hard metal rod. They didn't go near it ever. Thankfully it was within the return window so I returned that.

I have a feeder bucket with a deer feeder attached to the bottom of it and around that is a heavy metal mesh secondary covering that prevents the rats from getting anywhere near the bucket if they somehow managed to hop that high. There's a tray underneath the bucket maybe not know a few feet below it. So with the deer feeders you just set the amount of time that you wanted to spin out some food, in seconds and at what time you want it to happen. There's a baffle around the heavy metal enclosure that surrounds the feeding bucket which directs the feed below into the feeding tray which is elevated.
The nice thing about the arrangement is if the chickens see the rats they chase them especially the rooster. But when they're on some other side of the run where the feeder isn't that's where the rats hop in and grab a bite.
I know a couple of owls have grabbed some rats at night , they live nearby. I know the Hawks during the day grab one every now and then. By the way my chickens are in a covered run so the Hawks can't get to them. Of course that also means that the Hawks can't get to the rat running inside the chicken run.

I think I've exhausted all the ideas I can think of. I have the feeder mechanism set though so that it dispenses an amount of food that is already finished by the time the chickens head off to bed to roost. Zero problems in the chicken coop itself and that's simply because there's no food or water in the coop.

Well there it is - if any of you can come up with a great idea that would be terrific. I think over the years of battling these creatures I've tried just about everything I could reasonably think of.
 
We had signs of rats the first year I had chickens. I have a raised coop and decided to not leave the food out in the run but left it in the coop. Planted mint around the run - no signs of rats for the last 4 years. I did see one of the Appenzellers eating - swallowing a small mouse when they were out free ranging. Maybe they took care for the young rats too.
 
I know you said you already tried treadle feeders. I had a terrible rat problem, including daytime raids. I started calling my chicken run "Nightmare Ratatouille".

I ordered some treadle feeders from a user here on this site (https://ratproofchickenfeeder.com/) and it was a total game-changer. They have worked well with crumble and with a whole grain feed. (I haven't used pellets in them yet). Within a week, I went from seeing dozens of rats in the daytime to literally not seeing a single rat. I saw one rat the other night, in the evening, due to the fact that with chicks around there is more food out exposed.

I highly encourage you to consider trying treadle feeders again. I wasted so much time and money on trying to install more hardware cloth and other things. The ones I ordered are the medium sized soft close ones.
 
Thanks for the good word, Anon112.

OP, you said you tried treadle feeders, but what brand? If you will post the brand names or pictures perhaps I can offer some advice to get them working for you.

On the off chance it was one of our feeders, something was not right and it can be fixed to solve your problem. A rare chance that it is the feeder but more likely the assembly, installation, or the training. All of this assumes you have mostly full size hens big enough and heavy enough to operate the treadle.

People that buy treadle feeder are paying for a solution, not a feeder. Customers deserve to have that investment pay off as long as they read the product page info and aren't trying to make a feeder do something it wasn't designed to do.

Pictures please. Even the Chinese made feeder sold on Amazon, and yes, they are all Chinese made, can be made to work. I think the one you mentioned that had the gate that slid down is that ridiculous red plastic feeder that hangs and has a sliding metal gate that comes down. Those are trash but the reviews say they are trash so I don't understand how they ever sold after the first few months on the market.
 
Thanks for the good word, Anon112.

OP, you said you tried treadle feeders, but what brand? If you will post the brand names or pictures perhaps I can offer some advice to get them working for you.

On the off chance it was one of our feeders, something was not right and it can be fixed to solve your problem. A rare chance that it is the feeder but more likely the assembly, installation, or the training. All of this assumes you have mostly full size hens big enough and heavy enough to operate the treadle.

People that buy treadle feeder are paying for a solution, not a feeder. Customers deserve to have that investment pay off as long as they read the product page info and aren't trying to make a feeder do something it wasn't designed to do.

Pictures please. Even the Chinese made feeder sold on Amazon, and yes, they are all Chinese made, can be made to work. I think the one you mentioned that had the gate that slid down is that ridiculous red plastic feeder that hangs and has a sliding metal gate that comes down. Those are trash but the reviews say they are trash so I don't understand how they ever sold after the first few months on the market.
I am guessing those feeders require a flat surface? My coop and run is on a slop and just the dirt floor so that would be tricky.
Also, my birds like to shovel their food out of the feeder to eat later off the ground, so I have assumed such a feeder wouldn’t help me much.
 
I am guessing those feeders require a flat surface? My coop and run is on a slop and just the dirt floor so that would be tricky.
Also, my birds like to shovel their food out of the feeder to eat later off the ground, so I have assumed such a feeder wouldn’t help me much.
Usually three patio blocks make a great base. In your situation, two would have to be dug into the slope to make them level. The feeder and treadle take up the first two 8" wide blocks, the last block serves as a platform to make it easy for the hen to walk up and pin the treadle down with one foot while standing on the other foot.

A proper treadle feeder has full height sides and the feed lip protrudes into the feed tray. Rarely can a hen rake feed out unless mixed feed is fed, then you need a $1.50 feeder lip extender. Hens shouldn't be able to shovel feed out onto the ground. In extreme cases or where mixed feed needs to be served, a chunk of chicken wire laid on top of the feed does wonders, forces the hen to peck for feed instead of raking with her beak.
 

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