DE Food Grade~ Where is the best place to buy this bulk from???

[tiffanyg2]

OK I'm going to try the local feed stores and see if I have any luck and "speckledhen" I will try those places to! Thanks everyone for sharing

 

[Hoss1975]

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Hahahah~ wait a second~ the hottest thing for the health food freaks?? What are they doing with it!

They take a tbsp a day,suppose to cleanse to system i guess?

 

[ChamorroChicken]

Has anyone used Natural Guard "crawling insect control" that contains DE or know if it is safe for my chickens it is the only product I can find that say it can be used on pets to control flees?

 

[Roy]

My local animal vet ordered me a 50# bag for around $25...

 

[grammaC]

I've used Diatomaceous Earth for killing slugs on my hostas. But it says to avoid breathing it. How can it be used on animals as a dust? Doesn't it pose a hazard for the respiratory tract?

 

[drpeeps2014]

the DE in insect killer or for pool filters from the store is in a different form than food grade which is why it is unsafe to breathe or ingest!

 

[Bear Foot Farm]

the DE in insect killer or for pool filters from the store is in a different form than food grade

Actually it's not a different form, since Food Grade DE IS an "insect killer"

That's it's ONLY proven use

The filter type is the one that is heat treated, and more dangerous to breath​

 

[drpeeps2014]

tiffany g2:

Did you go to http://www.perma-guard.com/distributors.html and look at the distributors list yet?

Bear Foot Farm:

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Actually it's not a different form, since Food Grade DE IS an "insect killer"

That's it's ONLY proven use

The filter type is the one that is heat treated, and more dangerous to breath

I think you took that the wrong way, it is the same chemical but in a different physical form. The silica in regular DE is in crystalline form (this is heat treated), and has sharp edges and thats why it is a hazard. The food grade DE is amorphous silica and doesn't have these edges, so it is safer.

Unless it says food grade it is very harmful to inhale. I was referring to certain natural insect killers sold at places like Home Depot or Lowes in the pest control section of the store. I just checked the MSDS they have on their website for some of them and some are amorphous silica, but I wouldnt count on the ones without that information listed.


Wikipedia:
"The absorbent qualities of diatomite can result in a significant drying of the hands if handled without gloves. The flux-calcined form contains a highly crystalline form of silica, resulting in sharp edges. The sharpness of this version of the material makes it dangerous to breathe and a dust mask is recommended when working with it.
The type of hazard posed by inhalation depends on the form of the silica. Crystalline silica poses a serious inhalation hazard because it can cause silicosis. Amorphous silica can cause dusty lungs, but does not carry the same degree of risk as crystalline silica. Natural or dried diatomite generally contains very low percentages of crystalline silica. Diatomite produced for pool filters is treated with high heat (calcining) and a fluxing agent (soda ash), causing the formerly amorphous silicon dioxide to assume its crystalline form.
The crystalline silica content of the dust's particulate is regulated in the United States by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), and there are guidelines for the maximum amounts allowable in the product and in the air near the breathing zone of workers."

 

[tiffanyg2]

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Actually it's not a different form, since Food Grade DE IS an "insect killer"

That's it's ONLY proven use

The filter type is the one that is heat treated, and more dangerous to breath

I think you took that the wrong way, it is the same chemical but in a different physical form. The silica in regular DE is in crystalline form (this is heat treated), and has sharp edges and thats why it is a hazard. The food grade DE is amorphous silica and doesn't have these edges, so it is safer.

Unless it says food grade it is very harmful to inhale. I was referring to certain natural insect killers sold at places like Home Depot or Lowes in the pest control section of the store. I just checked the MSDS they have on their website for some of them and some are amorphous silica, but I wouldnt count on the ones without that information listed.


Wikipedia:
"The absorbent qualities of diatomite can result in a significant drying of the hands if handled without gloves. The flux-calcined form contains a highly crystalline form of silica, resulting in sharp edges. The sharpness of this version of the material makes it dangerous to breathe and a dust mask is recommended when working with it.
The type of hazard posed by inhalation depends on the form of the silica. Crystalline silica poses a serious inhalation hazard because it can cause silicosis. Amorphous silica can cause dusty lungs, but does not carry the same degree of risk as crystalline silica. Natural or dried diatomite generally contains very low percentages of crystalline silica. Diatomite produced for pool filters is treated with high heat (calcining) and a fluxing agent (soda ash), causing the formerly amorphous silicon dioxide to assume its crystalline form.
The crystalline silica content of the dust's particulate is regulated in the United States by the Occupational Safety and Health Administration (OSHA), and there are guidelines for the maximum amounts allowable in the product and in the air near the breathing zone of workers."

OK I checked the link and it doesn't look like anyone in SC but there is in NC and Georgia~ I will call and get some pricing! Thanks

 

[Bear Foot Farm]

The food grade DE is amorphous silica and doesn't have these edges, so it is safer.

Food Grade DE is still an "insect killer".

That is all it really works for, other than absorbing some moisture

It only has a "food grade" rating because it's used to kill bugs in grain, and there is no way to remove it.

They only treat the filter type, as verified by your own source

Diatomite produced for pool filters is treated with high heat (calcining) and a fluxing agent (soda ash), causing the formerly amorphous silicon dioxide to assume its crystalline form

I was referring to certain natural insect killers sold at places like Home Depot or Lowes in the pest control section of the store

You mean like this?:

http://www.teskepetandgarden.com/browse.cfm/natural-guard-crawling-insect-control/4,967.html

Natural Guard Crawling Insect Control Contains Diatomaceous Earth made from Amorphous Diatomaceous Earth Fresh Water Type

Or this?:

http://perma-guard.com/crawling_insect.html

Diatomaceous Earth is a good way to control ants, bedbugs, box elder bugs, carpet beetles, centipedes, crickets, cockroaches, earwigs, fleas, grasshoppers, millipedes, slugs and silverfish.

Perma-Guard™ Crawling Insect Control is 100% Diatomaceous Earth. It does not contain fillers or baits. The crystalline silica content is less than one half of one percent.

As long as there are no added ingredients, "insect killer" DE and "food grade" DE are one and the same

You just have to read the labels and understand the terms​