Many people are truely uninformed about dubbing, especially for frostbite. I too get angry when I see someone being painted in an unfair light to foster an untruth. I dub large combed fowl and do NOT consider myself uncaring of the welfare of my fowl. Ms Prissy, although you have personal anger about dubbing, do not allow it to impare your judgement of dubbing. Chickens DO get frostbite from cold and no, not everyone is involved with "Extremely ugly" aspects of fowl just because they dub. It could be from a genuine feeling for the fowl when their combs turn black and wither. Dubbing is far more humane than watching fowls comb turn black and shrink from behind drawn curtains. You seem to cast a rather wide net as to the character of fowlers that dub. Just because you feel you are right, does make everyone of a different mindset wrong. "Mutilation" is just another sad and uneducated word to use when your ideals are unmatched and unshared by others on this subject, fivebigreds. Although Roosterred and you, along with many others agree dubbing is not for you, (and you certainly have that right) please take the time to study the subject of dubbing before making an irrational statement. "Stupid Judges" are the life-blood of foundation stock in the world of fowl. Without standards to recognize the superior from the standard all fowl would soon become mediocre chickens. Men and women that have raised fowl for decades have decided what the standard of perfection in fowl is, NOT the judges. Judges only adhere to the SET standard to keep superior breeding methods moving into the next century. To pursue constant improvement.