De-worming and Wazine Concern

[Beth's Country Critters]

This might sound dumb But I will never know if I don't ask.
What is DE?

 

[threehorses]

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Other than ivermectin in crumbles or water, yes. Ivermectin really should be the drop-on kind.

Basically:

Wazine (water treatment - 1 day) (Piperazine 17% solution, cattle/swine/poultry wormer)

Two to four weeks later:

Fenbendazole (Safeguard crumbles, or 10% paste,. or 10% solution) mixed in the feed
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Levamisole or albendazole.
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Hygromycin (Triple Action Wormer) orally, though I'm not sure if it does larvae.

Fenben is the better choice.

Beth, DE is diatomaceous earth (food grade only). It's fossils that are ground into a flour and the sharpness of them are said to puncture parasites (if it comes in contact with them) causing them to dehydrate. That's why food grade only - pool or garden grade is a different "grind" and more sharp, less safe for our birds.

 

[carmel]

I have two hens sitting on eggs now but also want to worm. Is their any problem with deworming while they are being moms?

 

[chickbird]

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there are no ingredients in this product for worms.

 

[threehorses]

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there are no ingredients in this product for worms.

I actually contacted the company to make sure. Because I was interested. They say it will, but they can provide no documentation at all that VermX expels worms. And worm expelling is the nature of "worming", not just worm control or repelling.

I think based on what they're unable to prove that it sounds like an absolutely wonderful way to *try* to control parasite levels in between worming in addition to keeping the grounds dry, airy, and not 'treat feeding' things like beetles and earthworms. But for an actual infestation which inflames the digestive tract, the crop, the esophagus, infects the lungs with some species, causes a reduction in nutrients taken in (because of the inflammation), causes a reduction in the immune system, which leaves the bird more susceptible to other illnesses, the inflammation making the gut more likely to be susceptible to digestive tract infection.... well I just feel it's best to treat an illness (which shedding worms is) with a worming treatment. And use the more natural stuff in between to help us reduce the wormings that we do per year.

That's my opinion. I've used "natural methods" for years, have been talking about DE for almost a decade as a prevention in between wormings (and actually used to be chided for that to the point of ridicule though now it's commonplace to use it that way), and I've seen the difference in the overall health of birds who are treated for worms and those who aren't. I can't in good conscious recommend other than treating when it's necessary. But what people do with their own flock is certainly their right.

 

[ubumartin]

Where would you get a needle to use for the wormer???

 

[leeandtina]

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i believe i saw ones at tractor supply if you have one of those near you.

and heres a question i've been wanting to ask. does the wazien & follow up wormer end up treating *all* kinds of worms that your typical free range chicken might encounter? maybe its a stupid question but i thought i'd ask it anyway. just wondering if something might be missed

 

[Pine Grove]

Valbazen(Albendazole) is the only wormer that will treat every internal parasite that chickens will encounter..

 

[kathyinmo]

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Is this oral or topically applied? How often do you use it, as a prevention? Twice a year? Does it also work externally on things like lice and mites? Is it just used to treat or to prevent also?

 

[dawg53]

valbazen is given orally. as Pine Grove stated, it'll get rid of everything including 3 types of tapeworms. it will not get rid of lice/mites, ivermectin pour on will do that. valbazen should be used as part of a regular treatment cycle,whether it's semi annually or annually,it's just depends how you wish to do it. i treat my chickens first with wazine,then either one of three wormers in rotation; ivermectin pour on,safeguard (fenbendazole), valbazen. i always use wazine first. i do this about every 8 or 9 months. here in southeast georgia due to our soil being constantly swampy and damp with high humidity,it's condusive for worm soup. dosage for valbazen is as follows: one half cc (one half ml) for a standard breed chicken. one quarter cc (one quarter ml) for smaller chickens,like bantams etc...you can put it on the side of their beak and hope they drink it or you can do what i did. get a small piece of bread and put it on the piece of bread and give a piece to each chicken. a little time consuming but each chicken scoffs their piece of bread right up lol. there's a 2 week withdrawal period and throw the eggs in the garbage.