dealings with orhard hill ornamentals

[tjreno2]

has anyone had any dealings with orchard hill ornamentals. just seeing if anyone else got took like me.

 

[destinduck]

How did you get "took"

 

[tjreno2]

bought 3 dozen call duck eggs. shipped them in a real small box. only shipped 2 dozen. the ones i did get had broke eggs, deformed eggs, several ruptured air sacks, and cracks. on their website they dont recommend going over 7 days on waterfowl before you get them in the incubator. most of the eggs had a date on them and by the time i got them let them set 12 hrs. to settle and got them in the incubator they were 12 days old. contacted them that day about the broke ones and to see if they had made a mistake about the other dozen and he said they would ship the rest the next week. been almost 4 weeks and havent seen a thing. emailed several times and no response. they are selling birds on other websites with classified ads with their website listed. i have contacted them through those email addresses and wont respond either but i can email them and ask them a price on some birds and they will respond. i even emailed them and told them to send me anything to make it right and nothing. they are getting my emails and thats what pisses me off. i waited 3 days to long to dispute it with paypal. they give you 45 days. if he would have shipped them right after i paid for them and not 2 weeks after i probably would have got my money back.

i know they cant be responsable for how the post office handles a box but you can be responsable for putting eggs in to small of a box which makes everything more compact and heavier which will cause damage to the eggs if mishandled. the box wasnt damaged at all on the outside. they were bubble wrapped but if there isnt something in between the eggs with that many eggs in such a small box well you know whats going to happen.

just wondering if anyone else has dealt with them lately?

forgot i did hatch 1 $95 duck out of the bunch

 

[Mark HSV-AL]

Sounds like you did get took since they won't send you the remaining dozen or refund your money. When I get money from an individual for a bird/birds then it goes into my savings account until they birds have been shipped and arrived safely at their destination. Until that point then it is not really my money. Sounds like these people are low on cash and dont have it to refund or are just flat out dishonest.
As far as the cracked eggs, ruptured air sacs and low hatch rates, that's why I quit selling hatching eggs on wild waterfowl. I took the time to only select fresh eggs, pack them in bubble wrap and then pack them in hay and I still had people complaining because eggs didnt hatch or there were some cracked ones or because the air sacs had ruptured and they died. I was even accused of taking infertile eggs out of the incubator and sending them to people. Now I just sell live birds and I ship because for the same price you paid for that one call duck I could have had a pair of Mandarins shipped to your local post office already grown and ready to breed next spring. Long story short, unless you are picking up your hatching eggs yourself then there is no way you can be sure of the conditions in which they were shipped and it is impossible to hold the seller responsible for low hatch rates since he/she is also not in control of your incubation process.

 

[tjreno2]

i agree with part of what your saying. i have bought alot of eggs this year. there is away to ship them that will pretty much insure the eggs will arrive unbroken. dropping the box can rupture air sacks no matter how you package them but if done right you wont have any broken eggs.
theres 2 people i can tell you that you dont have to worry about getting bad eggs and they both know how to pack their eggs. one sell on here and both on featherauction. both have outstanding stock. one is stephanie(funky feathers) and the other is jean doreflein(duckcreekpoultryplace). very nice people and will help you in anyway. bought 4 times from jean this year and every shipment was packaged great. the thing about it is how simple they are packed.
the deal with the eggs i got from orchard hill ornamentals was they used to small of a box. if the box was bigger and the eggs are spread out more in the box and not touching each other they do great in shipment. even if wrapped in bubble wrap if several of those eggs are touching and that box gets hit you are going to have broke eggs. 2 dozen eggs in a 10 x 10 box leave no room for error.
i agree on individual hatching processes that the seller shouldnt be held responsable and for what the post office does, but on the other hand you should do everything in your power to make sure the eggs are packaged correctly on the sellers end.
when you get 15 eggs in from one seller on the same day and 12 out of 15 are fertile and arrived safe and 24 from another seller that had broke eggs,cracks, ruptured air sacks,deformed eggs and only 1 fertile egg out of the 14 remaining in to small a box who at fault there?
someone needs to start a blog on shipping eggs to help some people that want to ship but are scared to. there are ways to ship and protect those eggs it just has to be done right.