debeaking

[chickens123432]

They are getting 2 different kinds of feed. Layer feed and scratch grains and sometimes some leftover food

I wonder if it's really problematic or just the usual "savage" chicken world. There is a cartoon by Doug Savage that quips "a chicken's world is a savage place." In a way, that is certainly true or may seem so to the uninitiated.

One thing that could be a factor is the feed. Are they getting enough protein? If you are feeding them 100% corn, they are not, just as an example. That, other than space, is the only thing I can really think of that would make them hurt each other that way.

 

[chickens123432]

With what you described, I would definitely skip that procedure. Yes, it's painful and completely unnecessary in a backyard flock situation. Commercial operations cram so many birds in one cage that they do pick at each other-not the hens' fault, it's totally unnatural for them to live that way. I do believe when it's done, it is done with chicks, not adults. I know that when one of mine cracks a beak or chips a tip off, it's painful for them to eat until it has hardened and that is nothing as extreme as a debeaking.

Ok. I just thought it would be easier to introduce them so they couldn't really hurt one another. but if it is painful that is definitly a no go

 

[chickens123432]

There are many things in animal husbandry that seem cruel and inhumane to someone not familiar with what is actually going in but in practice really aren’t. I’m not quick to condemn a practice that I don’t understand the what and why, and I don’t think Cynthia is either. I totally agree with her here.

There is no need for debeaking backyard chickens if you give them sufficient space. If you overcrowd them you can have all kinds of behavioral issues like feather-picking, fighting, bullying, even cannibalism. If you overcrowd them you have to work harder, such as with poop management. If you overcrowd them you don’t have much flexibility in dealing with any issues that come up, whatever they may be. Giving them sufficient room makes your life a lot easier in many ways. From your post, you should have no reason to debeak.

The only time I would even consider debeaking a chicken would be if it were really precious to me and I couldn’t keep it any other way. Even then I’d look at alternate housing methods first. But debeaking a chickens without a real strong reason to do so, nope, not me and even then as some desperate last resort.

They are fighting with the ones they are in with now but i thought they couldn't hurt each other as much for introducing birds. But i will definitely not do it if it is painful

 

[chickens123432]

Would you like us to try to figure out why your chickens are pecking each other so badly??

They aren't pecking each other. Just injuring new birds when trying to introduce them.

 

[bobbi-j]

They aren't pecking each other. Just injuring new birds when trying to introduce them.

Injuring to the point of serious bleeding, or just the normal pecking order squabbles?

 

[123RedBeard]

 
How old are these birds? How much space do they have? 99% of all backyard flock keepers don't debeak. If they are managed with enough space, there is no need for debeaking. A few cuts or scrapes is part of the pecking order and heal up fast, generally. Debeaking is generally considered a painful procedure and unnecessary with proper management.

3 of them are all 11 months old and one is 2 years old. They get to free range in the summer and have a big coop and run and were working on building a bigger run. If its painful I will not do it, but thats why i was wondering if you wan do it to older birds.

How big is big? What you call big may be tiny to some one else ... Can you state a actual measurement?

What size of birds are these?

Also sounds like that this is a introduction problem ... Is this new to you chicken(s) being added to existing flock?

 

[313759]

Can you only debeak chickens as chicks or can you do it as older birds?

It's best to do it to day old chicks because they don't have nearly as much nerves in their beaks as they do when their fully grown

 

[chickens123432]

Injuring to the point of serious bleeding, or just the normal pecking order squabbles?

serious bleeding not just normal pecking

 

[chickens123432]

How big is big? What you call big may be tiny to some one else ... Can you state a actual measurement?

What size of birds are these?

Also sounds like that this is a introduction problem ... Is this new to you chicken(s) being added to existing flock?

the biggest one is a fully grown welsummer. 3 of them have all been together in the past but have been separated for a show and then i brought a new bird home and she gets along with one so now its 2 groups of 2

 

[chickens123432]

It's best to do it to day old chicks because they don't have nearly as much nerves in their beaks as they do when their fully grown

ok thank you!!!