Definition of Heritage Breeds

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Say"free range" to most people and they think of chickens running around on the grass, chasing butterflies and living the ideal country life. But thanks to the input of commercial egg producers, the USDA definition means only "access to outdoors". That can be a 5 acres of clean, grassy pasture, or a crammed pen packed with bare dirt, or even just a porch with a cement floor. All that's required is that the birds have the option to "go outside" even if they can't "go" anywhere or do anything when they get there.

Thanks to the ever helpful folks at the USDA, "cage free" only means "not packed into cages", which is why the commercial poultry industry can advertise "floor raised" birds, meaning thousands packed shoulder to shoulder into a barn. "Organic" standards are, imho, even farther removed from the public's perception of the word; to get that organic label, a producer must use no antibiotics, and only documented organic feed may be used. The birds themselves can spend their entire miserable life crammed six or seven to a cage, and as long as the owner documents his feed purchases, and doesn't medicate or vaccinate them, they're "organic".

That's why terms like "heritage" came up; yes, it's a way to attract buyers to your product, and, in the case of the ALBC, a way to attract prospective breeders to those breeds most in danger of dying out. But the word "heritage" should refer only to the age of the breed, old as opposed to "new", not how it's being raised. If you are talking about keeping birds with free access to the outside - on the grass- eating some grains and many bugs, that are put up in safe enclosure at night and released in the morning (just like Grandma kept her birds), then I believe the word you are looking for is something more along the lines of "traditionally raised".
 
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Show quality Doms don't look anything like Rocks and the barring is V shaped instead of straight, so they look more cuckcoo than barred.
There are some very good Dom LF here in the west.

To clarify, show doms of today look very similar to show barred rocks of past in terms of overall conformation / body shape.

I still have to disagree..

Walt
 
What's really unfortunate is the perversion of seemingly obvious terms. Those terms might be the ones we should be discussing, but to the USDA.

Oh, and as I stated earlier: Organic foods aren't even all organic at times. You only need to include a certain percentage to include the word "Organic" in your label.

Whether or not it worth your money to spend the extra on those foods, eggs, even wool, is a topic for another, really long thread
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To clarify, show doms of today look very similar to show barred rocks of past in terms of overall conformation / body shape.

I still have to disagree..

Walt

I like to look at outline of birds, there is were the difference I pickup on stands out. A point to remember is that I am biased, just so you know.
 
Sorry....my mistake....I thought I read earlier that to be a heritage breed they had to be recognized by the APA....guess I mis-read.... And I agree that "WE" the breeders should decide what makes a heritage breed and not someone like the ALBC.....I still don't understand their methods of labeling and catergorizing breeds.
 
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I still have to disagree..

Walt

I like to look at outline of birds, there is were the difference I pickup on stands out. A point to remember is that I am biased, just so you know.

We are all biased in one way or another. I have no problems with that. Please remember that I don't use emoticons to express what I am really feeling when I post, so sometimes I seem curt or short. I give my opinion...that's all it is....everyone has one.

Walt
 
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You are correct, you did read that, but that is what the ALBC is saying. The APA does not have a definition of "heritage" poultry. Speaking for myself as a longtime poultry person, I think Pyncheons, Nankins etc should have a place in the "heritage" movement. If nothing else to be recognized for their place in US history. Colonial Williamsburg has Nankins running around with all their other "heritage" poultry. In the spirit of this thread...should there be an ornamental class of chicken. What about turkeys and waterfowl?

Right now it seems to be pretty much about the commercial attributes of chickens and as mentioned, the monetary return such a label would provide.

The APA gets blamed for a lot of things they had/have nothing to do with.

Walt
 
Thanks Walt...I thought maybe I was loosing it there for a moment..... I have raised hundreds of birds in several breeds/varieites these last 50 years.... I have been breeding just the one breed now to help preserve and perpetuate it's uniqueness and to help keep a bit of history alive. I have always tried to breed them better and when introduced to the APA/ABA I had more of an outlined direction and goal as to what my breeding goals should be. I don't know when the first Nankins arrived in this country...but I have a pretty good idea when the first Pyncheons arrived and it was one of the very first breeds (landrace?)...of chickens...minis...bantams...whatever you may want to call them.... having been here as long as some of the first settlers in New England. I love this discussion.....I'm just wondering how it's going to turn out?....
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so you must be an old guy like me....or did you start when you where able to walk .My hat is off to you and guys like Don Cable that raise chickens as a labor of love. It always makes me happy to hear of someone who is dedicated to a breed that would have become extinct, if it were not for their efforts.

BTW: my guess is that you have raised thousands of birds, not just hundreds.

Walt
 
Thanks Walt....and Yes...I did start very young....I've had exhibition livestock all of my life. Dairy cattle and chickens were the first animals I had ever shown....I guess it's in my blood....I showed Muscovies for quite a while as well. I only keep the Pyncheons now...a few Silkies...and a flock of Scottish Blackface sheep.....Oh...and I show Dahlias....I've had them for 47 years. You're probably right...I may have had more poultry than I can remember. My maternal Grandfather use to breed and show Anconas...and my paternal Grandfather showed White Wyandottes......I learned alot from those two.... I'm hoping to show a nice string of Mille Fleur Pyncheons at the Crossroads show this Fall..... hope to see a bunch of my ole friends and meet some new ones.
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