Definition of Heritage Breeds

[fowlman01]

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When I say different I mean it is another bird entirely. Speculate all you like, but you should qualify that by saying it is hearsay or speculation. Because you are articulate and obviously well versed in debate, people will think you are telling the truth. Especially the newcomers here.

If the statement sounds absurd, it probably is absurd. Crack the mystery of the Orloffs, but don't run down an organization that you belong to just because you are bored and want to post long comments.

I have no desire to debate with you, or do I want this thread closed. As I said before, I will always post my perspective when you post one of these things.
Posting my position on the SOP Committee was to let people know that I have more than a passing interest in the SOP. No other reason and I don't view it as "rank". You will very seldom see me add anything except my first name to my posts. You didn't know I was on the SOP Committee until I told you. Many people on BYC have no idea I am on that committee or any of the other positions I might hold in the APA.



Your opinions are literary works of art, thank you too!

Walt

 

[Yellow House Farm]

Buffalogal, that is brillliant! (refering to your card system) We've often thought about printing labels for the inside lids of our cartons. "Collect all12" that's great. It peaks curiosity, and spreads the knowledge. You never know when or where one of your customers is going to mention a quick bit in conversation, which is then carried off to so and so. It all contributes to the raising of consciousness.

We actually have customers that want only our eggs, even in comparison to other local farms, they are certain there is a difference. In truth, I can't say that I do taste a difference. Perhaps, their palate is better trained.

 

[fowlman01]

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I'm glad someone knows the real story. Thanks Chris.

Walt

 

[Yellow House Farm]

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Hi Chris, I'm not extremely invested in the Orloffs historically. I do seem to recall the notion of a fowl possibly originating in Persia, followed then by a possible migration through Russia and into Eastern Europe with a possible importation to the West through, I believe, a Russian nobleman by the name of Orloff. Correct me if I"m wrong, but is there not a debate as to which came first, or whether or not one was derived, or breed out of, the other? In that way, could they have similar story to the RIR and the NH to which you make reference.

 

[Yellow House Farm]

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Hi Chris, I'm not extremely invested in the Orloffs historically. I do seem to recall the notion of a fowl possibly originating in Persia, followed then by a possible migration through Russia and into Eastern Europe with a possible importation to the West through, I believe, a Russian nobleman by the name of Orloff. Correct me if I"m wrong, but is there not a debate as to which came first, or whether or not one was derived, or breed out of, the other? In that way, could they have similar story to the RIR and the NH to which you make reference?

 

[Yellow House Farm]

Cheers, Walt! Thank you kindly. It seems we often come at things from different angles--thank goodness for variety. I do apologize for not adding that I was only relying on the hear-say of poultry coleagues when I made reference to the inclusion/exclusion of the (perhaps) Russian (perhaps) Orloff.

Whether Russian or Persian, though, the Orloff is a rather minute and uninteresting detail in the "long" post I wrote out of apparent "boredom."

I think, too, that we approach membership in an organization differently. I don't feel that I am unloyal by questioning; most certainly do I not feel that I am running it down.

 

[buffalogal]

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Obviously not Yellowhouse, but I believe they're referring to whichever version was in the SoP.

LOL,
That was the Russian Orloff ("Russians") then and not the Orloff.
It was a Rose Comb fowl that was smaller and less "Malay like" than the Orloff breed from Persia (Iran).

Chris

According to Wikipedia, (and we all know how reliable that can be), the bearded breed known as the Russian Orloff *is* an Iranian breed. Not surprising, as Iran borders Kazakhstan and Russia, and there has always been considerable amount of trading between them. "Orloff'" is certainly not Farsi.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orloff_(chicken)

I'm not clear which was in the SoP. What year were they accepted, and what edition did they get left out of?

 

[buffalogal]

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Thanks, I'll send you an email when I have a sample ready. I have five breeds/varieties here that I'm actively working with, along with a smattering of other breeds and crosses that just help fill the cartons. I know I can taste the difference between the eggs my birds lay and anything from a store, or even my neighbor's birds. That's about the feed, and you really can't duplicate that for confined birds.

 

[fowlman01]

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I dunno..

what did you mean by this. It was poor policy and more that a bit hubristic. The APA does some fairly screwy things at times.

Walt

 

[Chris09]

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Hi Chris, I'm not extremely invested in the Orloffs historically. I do seem to recall the notion of a fowl possibly originating in Persia, followed then by a possible migration through Russia and into Eastern Europe with a possible importation to the West through, I believe, a Russian nobleman by the name of Orloff. Correct me if I"m wrong, but is there not a debate as to which came first, or whether or not one was derived, or breed out of, the other? In that way, could they have similar story to the RIR and the NH to which you make reference.

The true name of the Orloff (the Persia (Iran) breed) is the Chlianskaia but, if I was to use the Chlianskaia name I am sure I would have confused a lot of people on here maybe not you, but maybe other.

Its present name is probably taken from Count Orloff-Techesmensky despite the breed was well established in Russia before Count Orloff-Techesmensky time. The Chlianskaia has been around since at least 1774. It has been said that when first imported from Russia, Orloffs were heavy boned, hard muscled, meat fowl that reminded Brown of Malays or Indian games. The American and German breeders bred more along utility lines and height was reduced and egg production was improved.

No, it isn't a debate as to which came first, or whether or not one was derived, or breed out of, the other, but when talking about the breed that was in the SoP that would be the Russian (Russian Orloff).

Chris