Delawares from kathyinmo

[ronott1]

Yeah the certification is the big hurdle. A lot of us are really only running backyard flocks so it makes it hard.
I know a number of people who avoid the certification by doing only local pickup.

I wonder if running a meetup like service for a chicken train might not be a bad idea

If you could get a number of runners set up you could coordinate moving eggs across a fairly large route pretty easily.

ie Portland to Sacramento chicken train making stops

Leg 1 Portland, Salem, Eugene
Leg 2 Eugene Roseburg medford
Leg 3 Medford Mt Shasta Redding
Leg 4 Redding, Willows, Sacramento

each place 2-4 meetup/swaps per day at prearranged departure times. Most drives would be less than 2 hours.

Im sure something could be done for other areas too.

I think, and in reality, NPIP is important for shipping to West Virginia and Hawaii. USPS does not check.

 

[LeslieDJoyce]

I did ship a bird over the state line with someone passing through ... A major highway makes that simple enough to arrange. But I did get the proper health certification for the bird.

For adult birds you can certify bird-by-bird and then ship. But with chicks and eggs, I believe it's the parent flock, meaning all the birds at the breeder's facility, that needs to be certified.

And that's on a good day. Right now there are tighter regs a lot of places due to the big AI outbreaks. It is the receiving state that determines the rules.

 

[LeslieDJoyce]

I think, and in reality, NPIP is important for shipping to West Virginia and Hawaii. USPS does not check.

We are a commercial farm (other ag product, not poultry). We have all the proper licenses to ship the stuff we do ship. We know those items get inspected, and our licenses are under constant scrutiny. We appreciate a good working relationship with all the agencies involved. I wouldn't risk the entire income side of our farm to save a few dollars on the hobby side. But, more importantly, I also wouldn't risk the poultry industry of another state.

We do not break the rules and strongly discourage others from doing so. We believe the rules are there to protect us and that the consequences of breaking the rules can be very serious.

Each state has its own rules, and those rules are subject to change on short notice. So it's worth checking into each situation individually.

 

[ronott1]

We are a commercial farm (other ag product, not poultry). We have all the proper licenses to ship the stuff we do ship. We know those items get inspected, and our licenses are under constant scrutiny. We appreciate a good working relationship with all the agencies involved. I wouldn't risk the entire income side of our farm to save a few dollars on the hobby side. But, more importantly, I also wouldn't risk the poultry industry of another state.

We do not break the rules and strongly discourage others from doing so. We believe the rules are there to protect us and that the consequences of breaking the rules can be very serious.

Each state has its own rules, and those rules are subject to change on short notice. So it's worth checking into each situation individually.

I have only had one shipment of hatching eggs shipped to me that was from someone that was NPIP and put in on the shipping box.

 

[finnfur]

I have only had one shipment of hatching eggs shipped to me that was from someone that was NPIP and put in on the shipping box.

If its not stated on the box I don't know how the PO would know whats in the box . I have read threads on BYC where people were buying
eggs at nation wide organic stores and hatching them . I don't think there are NPIP certs on them. I do think and agree with the fact that
caution should be taken because there are reasons for NPIP.

 

[caychris]

If its not stated on the box I don't know how the PO would know whats in the box . I have read threads on BYC where people were buying
eggs at nation wide organic stores and hatching them . I don't think there are NPIP certs on them. I do think and agree with the fact that
caution should be taken because there are reasons for NPIP.

Was reading the NPIP standards for sanitation and egg handling, for most backyard hobbyists some of those things are just not in the cards. Its not the NPIP inspections themselves that are the costliness its the sanitation standards that are not realistic for a backyard flock. NPIP is targeted at the commercial poultry industry and (from the standards) seems to promote cage style farming of chickens. Maybe I'm reading more into the standard than reality suggests but to me it is no surprise that hatcheries & cage farms operate the way they do based on these standards.

 

[LeslieDJoyce]

If its not stated on the box I don't know how the PO would know whats in the box . I have read threads on BYC where people were buying
eggs at nation wide organic stores and hatching them . I don't think there are NPIP certs on them. I do think and agree with the fact that
caution should be taken because there are reasons for NPIP.

When I called another state to ask about their shipping regs for adult live birds, they said the NPIP certification info, or the other health certification documents in the absence of NPIP certification, had to be attached to the outside of the shipping box.

This was true for private transport or for commercial shipping.

 

[LeslieDJoyce]

Was reading the NPIP standards for sanitation and egg handling, for most backyard hobbyists some of those things are just not in the cards. Its not the NPIP inspections themselves that are the costliness its the sanitation standards that are not realistic for a backyard flock. NPIP is targeted at the commercial poultry industry and (from the standards) seems to promote cage style farming of chickens. Maybe I'm reading more into the standard than reality suggests but to me it is no surprise that hatcheries & cage farms operate the way they do based on these standards.

Yeah. I only looked into it enough to think, "Nope! Not ready for all of that!"

I do believe there are certified breeders that let their birds go outside. I've read there can be some head-shaking from the testing squad. Perhaps the testing is less involved if the birds are confined?

 

[finnfur]

Was reading the NPIP standards for sanitation and egg handling, for most backyard hobbyists some of those things are just not in the cards. Its not the NPIP inspections themselves that are the costliness its the sanitation standards that are not realistic for a backyard flock. NPIP is targeted at the commercial poultry industry and (from the standards) seems to promote cage style farming of chickens. Maybe I'm reading more into the standard than reality suggests but to me it is no surprise that hatcheries & cage farms operate the way they do based on these standards.

I don't know about California because its the only state I know of that everything causes cancer .

Its a beautiful state though.
In VA its not a big deal but time consuming . You attend a 2 hour class . They provide supplies up to 100 birds I believe. except the applicators for band which you can buy from about any poultry supply place. Eggs are sent for testing. This is ongoing bi yearly process.
You must keep up to date records and we test ourselves.
This may be different for commercial operation but is not that bad for breeder , hobby backyard flocks.
I just haven't found the time yet to drive the 3 hours to the class, 2 hour class and 3 hours back.
They only have these classes once a year in 3 locations statewide. It on my 'Plans" list.
But you know as was said " Life is what happens while you are busy making plans " - John Lennon

 

[caychris]

I don't know about California because its the only state I know of that everything causes cancer .

Its a beautiful state though.
In VA its not a big deal but time consuming . You attend a 2 hour class . They provide supplies up to 100 birds I believe. except the applicators for band which you can buy from about any poultry supply place. Eggs are sent for testing. This is ongoing bi yearly process.
You must keep up to date records and we test ourselves.
This may be different for commercial operation but is not that bad for breeder , hobby backyard flocks.
I just haven't found the time yet to drive the 3 hours to the class, 2 hour class and 3 hours back.
They only have these classes once a year in 3 locations statewide. It on my 'Plans" list.
But you know as was said " Life is what happens while you are busy making plans " - John Lennon

That may be your state certification but NPIP is a national certification. Unless there is somewhere else to look on their site for standards for show breeders etc then you are stuck with an interpretation of the standards that only apply to commercial farming situations. http://www.poultryimprovement.org/default.cfm