Delawares from kathyinmo

[Zanna]

Yes, that's what I meant.

I failed high school genetics, so I'm a real idiot when it comes to all the terminology that gets discussed. But that explanation made sense to me.

Kim, you are awesome!!! Thank you for the info! I believe all of my potential keeper cockerals at this point have pretty strong barring, some are darker black, some look lighter. Do you think the darker may have the two copies or not be related? Really need to weigh these boys, getting ready to make first cull in a couple of weeks. Some of them seem huge.........They come running for treats and look like Turkeys! My concern is none have as wide a leg stance as I would like to see but the bodies look very wide. some are longer, some look closer coupled (horse term) but still wide. Wondering if the legs are going to hold out on the long and wide boys as they grow without the width between them I would like to see. They truly look like gangling teenage boys when they run, they make me laugh! Thoughts anyone???

 

[Zanna]

What are you all planning on doing with white legs or the greenish legs? My greenish leg pullet looks yellowish now but I am still concerned. All of my cockerals have yellow legs to some degree.

 

[finnfur]

Kim, you are awesome!!! Thank you for the info! I believe all of my potential keeper cockerals at this point have pretty strong barring, some are darker black, some look lighter. Do you think the darker may have the two copies or not be related? Really need to weigh these boys, getting ready to make first cull in a couple of weeks. Some of them seem huge.........They come running for treats and look like Turkeys! My concern is none have as wide a leg stance as I would like to see but the bodies look very wide. some are longer, some look closer coupled (horse term) but still wide. Wondering if the legs are going to hold out on the long and wide boys as they grow without the width between them I would like to see. They truly look like gangling teenage boys when they run, they make me laugh! Thoughts anyone???

Yes be interesting to see some weights and Pics - I hope to do assessment for 18 weeks which is Wed but may not get to it till Sat.
Will post - I have some males with partial hen tales LOL

 

[capayvalleychick]

Do you think the darker may have the two copies or not be related?
Well, he said "select for males with the more distinct barring in hopes you are choosing the double-copy ones,". I took distinct to mean the most cleanly barred. Also darker, but the most perfect barring. All we can do is try it and see.

My concern is none have as wide a leg stance as I would like to see but the bodies look very wide. some are longer, some look closer coupled (horse term) but still wide. Wondering if the legs are going to hold out on the long and wide boys as they grow without the width between them I would like to see. They truly look like gangling teenage boys when they run, they make me laugh! Thoughts anyone???

I noticed that, also. It's like they put on their width first and now they are growing in height, so they don't look as wide between the legs -until I compare them to my Del guys in the cull pen, who look like giraffes. I think it's just the gangly phase.

What are you all planning on doing with white legs or the greenish legs? My greenish leg pullet looks yellowish now but I am still concerned. All of my cockerals have yellow legs to some degree.

I'm going to be very careful about culling until I get my numbers up. Once they're gone, you can't get them back, but you can always cull later. If it's an issue, I'll do what was posted earlier on this thread to identify the male carrier.

 

[Zanna]

I noticed that, also. It's like they put on their width first and now they are growing in height, so they don't look as wide between the legs -until I compare them to my Del guys in the cull pen, who look like giraffes. I think it's just the gangly phase.
I'm going to be very careful about culling until I get my numbers up. Once they're gone, you can't get them back, but you can always cull later. If it's an issue, I'll do what was posted earlier on this thread to identify the male carrier.

Thanks Kim, my thinking as well. I have culled too hard before and painted myself into a corner..............

 

[catdaddyfro]

I have some new information regarding breeding the pullets with the Columbian type colored hackles. I asked about it on an exhibition poultry forum and this was the reply:

"Barring is sex-linked on the Z chromosome: males can have 0,1 or 2 copies; females 0 or 1.

Females with solid hackles simply lack that single barring gene. That part is a pretty easy fix.

What happened was the original cross resulted in males with only 1 copy of barring, and females with 1. When mated together, some of the resulting F2 females could end up with zero copies of barring. This could persist through single-copy males or non-barred females (or even males) on down to what you see today.

If the males you have now have barred hackles, they have at least one copy of barring. I would select for males with the more distinct barring in hopes you are choosing the double-copy ones, and mate them to their non-barred sisters.

You should get at least a portion (half) of the resulting females with barred hackles.

If you get any non-barred offspring from that cross, you know that the parental male was only single copy, and I would probably avoid using him again in the future unless you had other good reason to.

In time with selection for barring and use of test matings like the above, you can reach the point where all males are double copy and the strain breeds true."

This was written by Joe Emenheiser. I don't know him but am assuming he knows what he is talking about. Worth a try, anyway.

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Yes Joe knows, LOL he is a very highly educated man and a teacher/ professor I do believe + he's a serious breeder of poultry too so he has it all down pat.

Jeff

 

[finnfur]

Thanks Kim, my thinking as well. I have culled too hard before and painted myself into a corner..............

I have a real limited supply and plan on holding as long as possible to see what develops. Except may one Runt and Rex.
And Rex is looking better everyday LOL

 

[NestingHillsSC]

Was wondering what anybody thought of the markings on these pullets and cockerels. 17 weeks old.

 

[capayvalleychick]

Was wondering what anybody thought of the markings on these pullets and cockerels. 17 weeks old.

JMO because I'm not a judge and I haven't been breeding Dels for long ... the markings aren't bad but the type could be better. Do you have a SOP, so you can see the standard?

 

[NestingHillsSC]

When I ask people where to get it, they say they are copy written and can't give them out.