Delawares from kathyinmo

[LeslieDJoyce]

Thats perfectly ok.  I wish I were closer and I would buy one from you.  Mine had a freak accident so I no longer have a Kathy del roo.  I am not a true breeder but if you have extra eggs to ship let me know I would love to have a few in hopes for a young male to play with. I live in NC, I have three hens

I'm very sorry for you that you've lost you male. That's very sad.

I wonder if anybody working with this line is certified to ship eggs or chicks. I'm not certified ... I've never shipped eggs before.

 

[LeslieDJoyce]

Neal, the Zooman, I so very much prefer using broody hens to hatch my eggs and raise my chicks. I don't even own an incubator. So I've often considered getting some silkies. I have only resisted those helpful cuties because I can imagine how soggy they could get here in Oregon -- and stay that way for months. I'm hoping both you and Crazyhen can get hooked up with eggs or birds soon. I haven't seen a single Delaware egg in weeks. Sigh.

 

[1zooman12]

Hello Leslie,
Thanks for the words of encouragement. I'll stay tuned for should an offer come along I'll probably go for it. I do love those silkie hens with their dedication. I do own an incubator with the automatic turning device but it languishes in the store room gathering dust, as it should, I get a kick out of your adventures and subsequent comments. Don't stop! We'll make it somehow or another. Hens here rarely get soggy, as you so accurately put it. Gad, I love your elegant admonitions!
Sincerely,
Neal, the Zooman

 

[LeslieDJoyce]

A few pages back I inadvertently invented a term: "Buff Barring Gene." I was speaking in layman's terms as I know nothing of genetics or how to properly speak of genes, but I gather there is no such thing as a "Buff Barring Gene," which would probably have a weird name like "fi~fi~" anyway.

What I meant was: "whatever is in the genetic makeup of these birds that would show up as buff barring in the parts of the bird which are supposed to look white after the bird's first adult molt."

Now I'm reading the Delaware Genetics For Dummies thread. Which is a bit like trying to shove my head between volumes of encyclopedias in an overcrowded library.

Here are two quote from that thread which might better state what I mean ...

SO, removing all the, "nots," ... we are left with this. Is this correct?
Female
E^wh/E^wh--wheaten
CoCo--columbian
ChaCha--charcoal
S--silver
B cuckoo--barred

I still don't get the, "Columbian," thing though.

Columbian restricts black pigment by pushing it to the extremities of the bird. Red pigment is extended into the areas where black was removed. The silver gene dilutes red pigment to white. Charcoal puts black back into the hackle. Barring removes bars of colour from the feathers--you don't see it on the silver (white) feathers, only on the ones that are coloured.

So ... it seems to me that what might be happening is the silver gene (S) somehow stops diluting the red pigment to white when body feathers re-grow after the first adult molt, so combined with the barred (B cuckoo) gene, the bird looks buff barred? Still a novice, so that's just a guess.

It's a shame. I was looking at the females yesterday, and the smaller of my two F4 hens is coming out of molt with buff/pale red body feathers and a spectacular tail (white-edged black, nice angle, and that strikingly-small & tidy fan of feathers like the in the SOP illustrations). When Zanna and I lifted this bird, though she is light-weight, she wasn't actually lighter than the much bigger-looking Delaware hen from my trio, so she is tighter feathered and more densely muscled in that "deceptively small looking" round way I'm beginning to really appreciate in the better specimens of this breed.

I should probably post this over in the Delaware Genetics For Dummies thread. I just wanted to try to clear up my clumsy language a bit here, where I misspoke.

 

[finnfur]

A few pages back I inadvertently invented a term: "Buff Barring Gene." I was speaking in layman's terms as I know nothing of genetics or how to properly speak of genes, but I gather there is no such thing as a "Buff Barring Gene," which would probably have a weird name like "fi~fi~" anyway.

What I meant was: "whatever is in the genetic makeup of these birds that would show up as buff barring in the parts of the bird which are supposed to look white after the bird's first adult molt."

Now I'm reading the Delaware Genetics For Dummies thread. Which is a bit like trying to shove my head between volumes of encyclopedias in an overcrowded library.

Here are two quote from that thread which might better state what I mean ...





So ... it seems to me that what might be happening is the silver gene (S) somehow stops diluting the red pigment to white when body feathers re-grow after the first adult molt, so combined with the barred (B cuckoo) gene, the bird looks buff barred? Still a novice, so that's just a guess.

It's a shame. I was looking at the females yesterday, and the smaller of my two F4 hens is coming out of molt with buff/pale red body feathers and a spectacular tail (white-edged black, nice angle, and that strikingly-small & tidy fan of feathers like the in the SOP illustrations). When Zanna and I lifted this bird, though she is light-weight, she wasn't actually lighter than the much bigger-looking Delaware hen from my trio, so she is tighter feathered and more densely muscled in that "deceptively small looking" round way I'm beginning to really appreciate in the better specimens of this breed.

I should probably post this over in the Delaware Genetics For Dummies thread. I just wanted to try to clear up my clumsy language a bit here, where I misspoke.

I forgot you had this reading assignment and I forgot about the test Monday - since the holidays are coming we will postpone it.

And reading this several times I would say the birds with the rust bleed thru are lacking enough Silver gene to dilute the red pigment to white. Thats my take but I'm not genetic expert either
I believe Walt said the sun causes it but its heredity driven.

 

[capayvalleychick]

Compare to a few of mine, pics taken today....... It is hard to get good photos but mine just dont' have the depth in the breast that your boy has.

They need to pose better.

A couple in the back might be better.

Two more views of that same guy I was trying to get one from straight in front and the best I could manage was 3/4 profile. He was more cooperative about showing me his dirty bum.

Wow, look at how wide he is!!

Mine had a freak accident so I no longer have a Kathy del roo. I am not a true breeder but if you have extra eggs to ship let me know I would love to have a few in hopes for a young male to play with. I live in NC, I have three hens

I was hoping Tom could help you, but I think he got rid of all his males. I'd help if I wasn't so far away.


I forgot to quote Leslie's post about the buff barring. Kathy got some buff barred pullets in the first or second generation, I think. They did not breed true. She tried, as a side project, since they were kind of interestingly pretty.

 

[finnfur]

I was hoping Tom could help you, but I think he got rid of all his males. I'd help if I wasn't so far away.

She said she wanted eggs - I have her on the egg list- All the F5 boys are in the deep freeze already but a couple
would have been OK for a hobby flock.

Gloria Jean - how far you from Danville Va

 

[crazyhen]

I live in Franklin .NC Thats a ways. .

 

[Zanna]

They need to pose better.

A couple in the back might be better.

Yes they do, the giraffe or the duck and step poses are not very becoming!

The majority of my Cockerals grow up on a different property (with no pullets/hens) than where I live and don't get handled or get treats much till the chosen few come home to a breeder pen or in the case of the two NH Cockerals I took to a show. They don't want much to do with me!!

 

[finnfur]

I live in Franklin .NC Thats a ways. .

Ok - you closer to Tennesee than Va
Don't know anybody close to you that has Kathys Line. But egg hatching time is not far off.
If they don't have to be Kathys I know Wekiva bird is just across the SC line mid state. However she's most likely still in the woods to fill up that freezer with venison . She is a avid hunter and good at it too.

Yes they do, the giraffe or the duck and step poses are not very becoming!

The majority of my Cockerals grow up on a different property (with no pullets/hens) than where I live and don't get handled or get treats much till the chosen few come home to a breeder pen or in the case of the two NH Cockerals I took to a show. They don't want much to do with me!!

Yes they all pose great when I don't have my camera but when I do they run or dust bath or anything detrimental to a good PIC.
Of course there is always one exception that becomes the camera hog and you end up with it in front of the rest in 90% of the pictures.