deleware X buckeye . . .

[Chris09]

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The RIR was created by crossing native mutts with Brown Leghorns, Cochins, Brahmas and Red Malays.

Native mutts? That is the first time I ever heard that.. Where did you read that there was native mutts in them?
The breeds that are in the RIR:
Red Shanghai, Cochin China, Red Chittagong, Black Breasted Red Malay and Red Malay. Some old breeders say that Dark Brown Leghorns may have been introduced in the early years to improve the egg production. The Red Malay fowl was introduced to America in 1846 by Captain Richard Wheatland of Rhode Island and is believed to be responsible for the red color. The early Rhode Island Red had three types of combs: The pea comb from the Chittagongs (Brahmas), the single combs from the Cochins and the Rose Comb which is believed to have come from the Rose Comb Shanghai.

Chris​

 

[speckledhen]

I removed a few off-topic posts not related to the original thread subject. Carry on.

 

[Krys109uk]

cgmccary wrote: I think the red Buckeye plumage will dominate in your first generation and you will have a pea comb as well.

The offspring would have pea comb but in the case of Delaware male on buckeye female the plumge would not be the same as buckeye.
I expect your EE hen was a gold based bird. The columbian would have restricted the black & evened out the colour; the mahogany would have darkened the red.
In the case of delawares the silver, in the presence of columbian would be dominant over gold & the mahogany wouldn't show, columbian would "bleach" it. The hackles, particularly in males, would be brassy.​

 

[KatyTheChickenLady]

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. . . and that's why I love ya Chris! I would hate to be in a room with you and Krys at the same time there would be so much brain activity going on I might get hit by lightning! Just kidding I love that people as experienced and knowledgable as you guys bother to take the time on such novice questions.
My last Buckeye roo went down today

so at this point, if I am able to do the cross it will be with a Del roo over my three BE hens and we will go from there. Actually the sex link aspect had little use for me anyway, and the coloring that Krys had suggested I might get with the DEl roo and the BE hens sound appealing to me. Something I would like to see . . . NEXT year I will take on second generation questions! LOL, I love learning this stuff but man I have to work at it!
LOL I WANT brassy hackles!!!

 

[cgmccary]

hey katy:

Krys is spot-on correct in his analysis (and yes, the EE was a gold-based bird-- you're good, Krys), and I am not real good with the genetics-- I'm just usually safe saying a Buckeye's traits will carry because most are dominant (& that's why I have something as simple as Buckeyes- 1 variety, basically 1 color, which usually breed true (not counting the tricky slate bar in the back) ).

Katy:My last Buckeye roo went down today so at this point,

What happened? If you know anyone going to the Ohio National (Nov 14 & 15) who lives driving distance from you (& willing), I will be taking some nice cockerels & would be happy to send 1 or 2 back with them to you in Idaho (if you want' em). I still have 4 extra males this year.

Chris​

 

[cgmccary]

Chris09: Native mutts? That is the first time I ever heard that.. Where did you read that there was native mutts in them?

sorry, "mutts" was my word (as I remembered it), actually what I read was "native birds of mixed blood."

From Storey's Illustrated Guide to Poultry Breeds by Carol Ekarius:

Unlike a lot of breeds, the Rhode Island Red was not developed for show purposes by fanciers. Instead, Rhode Island poultry farmers developed the bird in the 1830s to produce a good utlity bird that had excellent egg laying ability married to a meaty frame. They succeeded by crossing native birds of mixed blood with Brown Leghorns, Cochins and Brahmas as well as Red Malays which are credited with contributing the color. (emphasis added)

Seems like I read "native hybrids," somewhere but I could not find the source.

I have read in a number of places that the original RIR (at time of admission) was not as dark as the SQ RIRs of today & lighter shade of red than the Buckeye. However, today's SQ RIR is darker than a Buckeye. The Buckeye should not be as dark.​

 

[KatyTheChickenLady]

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What happened? If you know anyone going to the Ohio National (Nov 14 & 15) who lives driving distance from you (& willing), I will be taking some nice cockerels & would be happy to send 1 or 2 back with them to you in Idaho (if you want' em). I still have 4 extra males this year.

Chris

Thanks! I can hardly imagine that Krys gets very much wrong ever! And I'm glad he was there to ask, as I was thinking the same as you but wanted to find out for sure.
You have no idea how much that offer means to me!
Unfortunately I know no one in this state who is going to the Ohio National and I have more than used up my shipping dollars for the year (man is that expensive!).
The three hens I have left are from you and they are soooo beautiful . . . I would have to look it up but I believe they are from your Fawkes Roo.
As for what happened,I'll post another thread addressing that in order to stay on topic. Good luck with your birds at the show they are really beautiful.