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[Wednesday]

I gave you an honest stimulating discussion from an experienced chicken keeper. There are many others here that have used those products without my advice prior to me even joining this site. Not my opinion, just fact from other chicken owners, and they are still here as well. OJT experience with chickens is the best teacher. Anyone can take my advice, or flush it. Some people have to learn the hard way, then they learn.
Nowhere have I stated an unwelcome response to a newbie such as you nor anyone else, just a stimulating conversation. If you own chickens and have a problem with them, I'll be glad to help you as best as I can, as I have with many others.
See post #2 for denagard withdrawal periods. Good luck.

I'm not trying to get into a pissing contest with you. No one is disputing that you are a knowledgeable chicken keeper who has provided people here with a ton of valuable information. I have noticed while reading through the forums trying get answers before posting that sometimes you tend to treat other posters here somewhat harshly if their opinion differs from your own. Your signature line is telling. Telling me to get a study funded to try answer a question I have posed comes across as jerky. As a new chicken keeper, I have already made tons of mistakes and the learning curve is steep and can be painful when you loose a bird.That's why I came here in the first place. Just asking you to be a little more friendlier in your tone when you disagree or are trying to educate someone. I appreciate your offer to help. With all the newbie mistakes I have made, I am trying to avoid doing things like accidently sickening my family with medicated eggs if it can be avoided.

 

[CluckCluck18]

Welcome to BYC, Wednesday!
With all due respect, I think you ARE trying to get into a pissing contest with Dawg and I don't think it is appropriate. You are like a new chick trying to ruffle the feathers of a flock leader and I'm not sure why.....only you know the answer to that question.
You are brand new to chickens and this site and I think you should tread a bit more lightly....
Did you notice all the stuff underneath Dawgs name? Greeter, educator, BYC spirit, 17,000 posts and 4 plus years experience.
This guy has saved my butt on many occasions....most recently when my head chicken had EYP....she survived it and is thriving.
He has been a great resource and friend to all of us and like all things in life, "rank has it's privilege".
He'll probably never get it but I think you owe him an apology.

 

[Wednesday]

Welcome to BYC, Wednesday!

With all due respect, I think you ARE trying to get into a pissing contest with Dawg and I don't think it is appropriate. You are like a new chick trying to ruffle the feathers of a flock leader and I'm not sure why.....only you know the answer to that question.
You are brand new to chickens and this site and I think you should tread a bit more lightly....
Did you notice all the stuff underneath Dawgs name? Greeter, educator, BYC spirit, 17,000 posts and 4 plus years experience.
This guy has saved my butt on many occasions....most recently when my head chicken had EYP....she survived it and is thriving.
He has been a great resource and friend to all of us and like all things in life, "rank has it's privilege".

He'll probably never get it but I think you owe him an apology.

I stand by my posts. Again, It is each persons right to question the status quo when it has the potential to affect peoples health from someone who is not a doctor or a scientific researcher, when it comes to off label use of medications in animals that people consume. I am not sure why you would make the argument that just because someone has posted 17,000 times it gives them the right to be dismissive or flippant about someone else's question. If you have found value in someone's posts, that wonderful for you. However, to insert yourself into a situation and "roll your eyes" while asking that I make an apology is simply bad manners.

 

[mithious]

Hi Wednesday,

I too, have taken Dawgs advice on many things and value his experience. That said, I am not reading his posts as you are? I see nothing of what you are saying,just honest advice, you asked for. Not trying to make things worse for either of you!!!

Is it possible that you misread what he is saying? The printed work, I find, is not the same as having a discussion in person, being able to see body language and here the spoken word with verbal inflection, and seems misunderstandings have arisen from that alone.

Maybe you and he should just agree to disagree, and let it go? Just a suggestion. Nothing harsh meant. I too am new to BYC, but not new to chicken and livestock in general. I have opinions also that differ from some OP's. It's all good, as that gives all of us, choices of our own, to either follow, or disregard the OP's suggestions and get many opinions.

Best of luck to both of you and hope you can work this all out or just agree to disagree!

Dawg, thanks again for all your help and your vast knowledge of the poultry world!
Wednesday, thank you for your questions and information also. So sorry for the troubles you have had to go through in learning!!!

 

[CluckCluck18]

I am in total agreement with Mithious....and it was well said. I think suggesting that I have bad manners is a bit of projection on your part, Wednesday.
I try to never get in the middle of jousting on the site....it's not what I come here for.
I guess because it involved Dawg and the totally unfounded accusations that I felt protective!
Maybe I'm a mother hen after all LOL

 

[MrsBachbach]

Here's my take on medications and withdrawal periods. I'm not so much worried the residuals will kill me as much as the residuals in my body will prevent that particular medication to be effective against a certain "bug" should I catch that bug and be given that medication to treat it. I believe THAT is why there is no withdrawal period in the EU for this drug. Because the EU will not use this drug on humans to treat any "bugs" they may catch. They will simply use a different drug. So, should we have an outbreak of a "bug" here in the US, this drug may be used on humans for all we know, but if some of the population have been carrying residuals in their body and contract the bug, the bug will build resisitance to the drug and the drug will become ineffective in the treatment. That, I believe, is why withdrawal periods are established. You don't want to harbor residuals of a drug in your body for the bacterias or fungus or parasites to build resistance to should you carry them. You get the bug, you go to the doctor, and him not knowing what you have been consuming, gives you the same drug to treat you and it doesn't work and you get worse.

I also want to point out that the link Dawg posted says no withdrawal for eggs. Keep in mind this is a website for the EU. However, in the same website, I found the statement that the drug has GOOD EGG PENETRATION. Now, what does that tell you? That the drug is in the egg. Apparantly up to nine days because that's how long they say you can collect eggs for hatching after administering the drug.

And as far as Corid goes, there is a reason they say to quit feeding medicated feed to layer hens prior to the start of their production. Do you want a thiamine blocker in your system? As far as I know, I think our bodies use thiamine too.
Personally, I toss my eggs if I'm medicating my hens. Since there isn't any info on withdrawal for the eggs on most medications, I use the slaughter time frame plus some. Doesn't a hen have developing eggs up to two weeks stored in her?

Wednesday, good topic, glad you brought it up because people need to know.

Lastly, the last thing I want is more government regulation in our lives. If we abuse our privilage to purchase and administer drugs to our pets or stock, I fear we are going to lose our ability to purchase the drugs, or worse, our right to keep and raise our animals.

 

[Wednesday]

Excellent

Here's my take on medications and withdrawal periods.  I'm not so much worried the residuals will kill me as much as the residuals in my body will prevent that particular medication to be effective against a certain "bug" should I catch that bug and be given that medication to treat it.  I believe THAT is why there is no withdrawal period in the EU for this drug.  Because the EU will not use this drug on humans to treat any "bugs" they may catch.  They will simply use a different drug.  So, should we have an outbreak of a "bug" here in the US, this drug may be used on humans for all we know, but if some of the population have been carrying residuals in their body and contract the bug, the bug will build resisitance to the drug and the drug will become ineffective in the treatment.  That, I believe, is why withdrawal periods are established.  You don't want to harbor residuals of a drug in your body for the bacterias or fungus or parasites to build resistance to should you carry them.  You get the bug, you go to the doctor, and him not knowing what you have been consuming, gives you the same drug to treat you and it doesn't work and you get worse. 

I also want to point out that the link Dawg posted says no withdrawal for eggs.  Keep in mind this is a website for the EU.  However, in the same website, I found the statement that the drug has GOOD EGG PENETRATION.  Now, what does that tell you?  That the drug is in the egg.   Apparantly up to nine days because that's how long they say you can collect eggs for hatching after administering the drug. 

And as far as Corid goes, there is a reason they say to quit feeding medicated feed to layer hens prior to the start of their production.  Do you want a thiamine blocker in your system?  As far as I know, I think our bodies use thiamine too.
Personally, I toss my eggs if I'm medicating my hens.  Since there isn't any info on withdrawal for the eggs on most medications, I use the slaughter time frame plus some.  Doesn't a hen have developing eggs up to two weeks stored in her?

Wednesday, good topic, glad you brought it up because people need to know. 

Lastly, the last thing I want is more government regulation in our lives.   If we abuse our privilage to purchase and administer drugs to our pets or stock, I fear we are going to lose our ability to purchase the drugs, or worse, our right to keep and raise our animals.

Excellent post. Thanks for sharing your viewpoint. Corid has a 24 hour withdrawl for animal slaughter. You are correct in that its a thiamine blocker. I see no valid reason to injest something that blocks B1 when it's easy to discard eggs during treatment.