Depression? Is it coming?

[joebryant]

Raising a garden and chickens for somebody to steal (or kill you for) during a depression isn't much of a solution. First you'd better have a good place to hide your food that's been dried or canned.

 

[Alaska animal lover]

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Do you happen to live in Alaska? LOL.

The market is taking care of that now, people are buy old Metros with a blue book value of $1000 fixing them up, and selling them for $7,000.
Seriously, my husband just said the exact same thing.

 

[Alaska animal lover]

"No you Can't do that, what if a wolf wants to walk by that way???"

Actually it is Caribou and Polar Bears.

Quick fact about ANWR:
It is 19 million acres.
Ony 2000 of those acres would be effected by the drilling.

 

[carugoman]

As far as things go, I don't think presidents can so influence policy to make much of a dent in the economy to begin with. Also, the indicators,as mentioned here, previously and elsewhere, are historical in nature. Policy changes, take a long period of time, to yield results. Market factors, such as supply,demand,availability, shipping costs, etc. are more of an immediate change rather than any politicians' input.

Sniping the Democrats presidential candidate, Osama bin La...er...uhh...Barack Obama isn't the real solution either. I am an avowed Conservative, so much so, that I'm fighting that guy for the last seat on the far right-upper deck! I just happen to be a registered Republican and will vote for that Party's presidential nominee, although I voted for Ron Paul in the primary. I'm all for a limited federal three level government that's promulgated as a democratic republic of united but separate states. I do not wish for a socialist or a communist form of government nor do I ever wish to become a "loyal subject." Also, the idea of erasing the borders in North America or becoming a citizen of a one-world government are all crappo dogmas better suited for every other failed form of government, in the past, now or in the future. If you think otherwise, then you probably buy into the myth of man-made "global" warming! As if a cow fart or an elephant turd could affect whether the sun broils the contents of your chrome dome? Give me a break! How utterly absurd!!!

I own a 9 y.o. 1 ton pickup with an 8.0L V-10 that gets 15mpg. I'm 6'8" and weigh 320+ ...and I won't get stuffed in a tiny Jpn car! Hybrids you can forget about also..way too small! And before I hear some snide remark about losing weight, shove this down YOUR pie hole! I've lost 115 lbs in the past 2 years. I have a cell phone, have dsl internet,have satellite dish tv, and a 2400 sqft farm house on 42 acres. What I don't have is: a mortgage...house is paid for and the land and the outbuildings; a car payment...truck is paid for, spend about$1300/year to maintain; huge grocery bills...we have a 1.25 acre market garden, dairy goats, chickens and other poultry, sheep for meat.

This country is doing just fine the way it is just right now...for right now. What happened eighty years ago is ancient history. how does the old saying go? Be careful for what you ask for, you may get it? I must be the crazy one but I find pure joy when I grab a hold of the greens and out pops a sweet juicy bright orange carrot! What better taste than a sun-warmed tomato with a dash of salt? Or biting into that just picked peach and the juice running down your chin after taking that big bite! Enjoy life for what it truly is. If you find joy in digging ditches; grab a shovel! I've been shot twice, blown up twice, was aboard aircraft that crashed twice, fell from a height of 42 feet once and was electrocuted once (all this was during my "career" in the military.) Life is what you make, my friends. Why dwell on the negative things in life? Look forward to a new day and what you,personally, can accomplish today!

 

[okiemommy]

This is why I hate threads like this. They succeed in nothing but spreading fear.

I concur. oh and silkies are evil and will steal your soul

 

[PurpleChicken]

Carugoman you rock man. The Nuge would be proud!

 

[carugoman]

Teddy stops into our fair town to purchase custom made bows, arrows and other assorted acoutrements d' archerie. He's also a guest to our annual Vets' Day BBQ at our local VFW.

 

[joebryant]

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I concur. oh and silkies are evil and will steal your soul

I got a masters degree in economics at Purdue University's Krannert Graduate School of Industrial Management. The most important thing that I learned is that if all of the economists in the world were laid end to end, they'd never reach a common conclusion.

 

[Eggseronious]

I live on a farm and make my living doing so. Its getting tough! My equipment is paid for I could use a few new purchases but I am looking for late model used and its very high priced also. Our grocery bill is low because we raise most of it. But have you ever noticed that almost everything you look at is made in China, India, or some other than the USA. I picked up a red heat lamp at the farm store the other day was going to buy it an I'll be dam if it wasnt made in China! I just piched it back in the shelf. Came back home and put two 100 watt bulbs in my brooder. Also this crapp wont last long, then U have to just throw it in the trash. I do try to buy American made stuff most of the time. We stimulate their economy they buy cars and use more gas, and we wonder why gas is so high! I dont buy much at walmart if it tears up u have to go through an act of congress to get your money back! So if they depend on me they will fail. I dont care anyway they have run out or closed all the little hardware stores when they come to town. Do iI think the depression is here? Yes its on its way! Wait till this fall when these corps start revealing their earnings! So keep buying stuff from overseas its nice and cheap and so is the product.

 

[PAChickenChick]

I have to put my 2 cents in here....

My Father grew up smack dab in the middle of the depression but never felt it because his Grandmother was in charge of the Victory Garden for their town. Everyone in that town ate good enough. No one was left hungry.

But today almost everywhere....there are no Victory Gardens to fall back on. But I'm gonna tell you the big secret here....

We CAN SURVIVE any depression!!!! Because even though there are uncaring people around...for the most part we will find a way to barter or whatever need be to get the food we need for our families.....

BUT....

We are kept in a state of fear and motion. And this happens for a reason. The more fearful you are the easier you are to control. The busier you are the less you are able to pay attention to what is going on around you. The more you have to work to meet your life's demands the more pliable you are.

So WTH am I talking about???
How about the fact that in PA Governor Rendell is leasing Interstate 80 out to a foreign corporation so they can build tolls on it...and the lease is for 75 YEARS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!! Why so long? So that even if we wake up and realize what happened we can't break the contract for that long and by then no one will remember what it was like when the STATE got the proceeds from tolls....

How about the way every politician talks about terrorism and all the new ways that the Department of Homeland Security has to counter it...but yet our borders are left wide open. Illegals can get in to our country in less than an hour but AMERICANS have to wait for 2 HOURS to get on an airplane....

How about the RDIF chips they want to put in your livestock...and don't stop there...they are ALREADY in your passports and soon to be in your drivers license....

How about how the GREAT LAKES are being SOLD....and that will give a corporation the rights to OUR water....

How about how MONSANTO controls 90% of all seed in the world and they are turning it all into genetically modified seeds...

How about how the Patriot Act makes it ILLEGAL for you to have more than a 2 week supply of food and water on your property if the President declares Martial Law in your state. (and he has done this for Natural Disasters like Katrina)

Think about the Bird Flu scares you heard, the scares you've heard about E-coli, and other things like that. Sure, Tyson took a hit recently but it won't put them out of business like the E-coli thing did for the LOCAL ORGANIC FARMER....

Why do you suppose they do this......
I'll tell you....
Keep us scared, keep us to busy to care, control our food and water and you will control us without ever firing a shot.

When will we all put away our smaller differences and stand up and become a united front. We can get back to the days where only one parent HAD to work and you could still live comfortably, the days were food and water were safe, and money was something that you might be able to save.

I'm sooooo sorry for going on a rant...but it's hard to know that so many people are on the same page but we just can't seem to get together to make a complete book.