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[Blooie]

I don't worry about it. I've seen some of the stuff chickens eagerly wolf down (with no ill effects) and let me just say that there'd better not be anything that nasty and gross in my mouth!

 

[enola]

I don't worry about it. I've seen some of the stuff chickens eagerly wolf down (with no ill effects) and let me just say that there'd better not be anything that nasty and gross in my mouth!

This is the very reason I could NEVER kiss a chicken.

 

[Sylvester017]

just a thought that passed randomly through my head because i saw the recent egg washing stuff,,, but,,,, i seem to remember the sciency types saying that this strain of AI was susceptable to higher temps,, that it did well in cooler weather at that the summer heat would help kill off any soil bore virus,,, which just may be since we haven't seen a new case pop up in 13 days now........ so,, considering that an incubator runs at a constant near 100 degrees, much warmer than most average summer temps,,,, and considering that the incubation period of this strain is up to 21 days,, wouldn't that pretty much wipe out any virus that may have been on the eggs by the time the chicks hatch anyway?
Maybe mother nature had this figured out long before us and built in a sort of safegaurd so entire species wouldn't be wiped out by saving the chicks.
I'm no scientist,, or even an expert,, but that would make sense to me anyway

This is nice logical thinking. But I don't believe 100oF is enough to kill the virulent viruses/bacteriums. That's why the food/restaurant industry uses 140o minimum for cleaning and 160o or higher for cooked meats. It's a nice thought though!

 

[Diannastarr]

That is very funny!

The only reason I don't kiss my chickens (very tempting sometimes on the very cute chickens!) is because I researched that chickens are not resistant to the numerous bacteria in human saliva so I am conscious of not feeding anything to the chickens that has been bitten/eaten/kissed/or spit by humans. After eating we also wash our hands and also prior to and after handling chickens or their feed. Correct me if I'm wrong but it was something I researched a couple years ago.

yes

that is true i have always been very careful after reading that same information years ago and was careful not to feed my 40 year old parrot any thing i was eating for that same reason, that birds are not resistant to the numerous bacteria in human saliva. exactly

 

[ashleyr]

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that is true i have always been very careful after reading that same information years ago and was careful not to feed my 40 year old parrot any thing i was eating for that same reason, that birds are not resistant to the numerous bacteria in human saliva. exactly

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This is nice logical thinking. But I don't believe 100oF is enough to kill the virulent viruses/bacteriums. That's why the food/restaurant industry uses 140o minimum for cleaning and 160o or higher for cooked meats. It's a nice thought though!

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This is nice logical thinking. But I don't believe 100oF is enough to kill the virulent viruses/bacteriums. That's why the food/restaurant industry uses 140o minimum for cleaning and 160o or higher for cooked meats. It's a nice thought though!

Quote:yes

that is true i have always been very careful after reading that same information years ago and was careful not to feed my 40 year old parrot any thing i was eating for that same reason, that birds are not resistant to the numerous bacteria in human saliva. exactly

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This is nice logical thinking. But I don't believe 100oF is enough to kill the virulent viruses/bacteriums. That's why the food/restaurant industry uses 140o minimum for cleaning and 160o or higher for cooked meats. It's a nice thought though!

Quote:yes

that is true i have always been very careful after reading that same information years ago and was careful not to feed my 40 year old parrot any thing i was eating for that same reason, that birds are not resistant to the numerous bacteria in human saliva. exactly

 

[MysteriaSdrassa]

according to the info in this link http://www.iowaagriculture.gov/AvianInfluenza.asp
you would have to heat the eggs to 133 degrees to kill the virus but very good thought !

the problem could be ( if 100 would kill the virus ) is that you would have already handled a possibly contaminated egg before the virus was killed on it thus contaminating everything else you touched before putting them the incubator heat & giving that a chance to kill the virus , is the fomite dilemma John was talking about.
( anything on you that has been exposed to the virus ( shoes, hands, clothing , etc. ) that touches anything else contaminates whatever it is you've touched)
As far as washing eggs go it's safe to do so , tektrol and virkon to name a couple have products to do that with.
you just have to be sure the water is about 10 degrees warmer than the egg to draw the bacteria OUT of the pores . Colder water would suck bacteria into the pores.
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This is nice logical thinking. But I don't believe 100oF is enough to kill the virulent viruses/bacteriums. That's why the food/restaurant industry uses 140o minimum for cleaning and 160o or higher for cooked meats. It's a nice thought though!

Well, since I like a challenge,, and because I still remember the scieney types telling us that the summer temps would help kill off this virus,,, and I do remember some basic facts about killing viruses and bacteria from all the food safety stuff we had to learn when I was in the food service industry,,, i do know for a FACT that it is NOT just temperature that kills them off,,, it is temp and time,, and it is an inverse correlation between temp and time,, in other words,, the higher the temp,, the quicker it is killed off,,,,,, the lower the temp,, the longer it takes to kill
Now,,, after just a bit of digging I found that H1N1 lost infectivity (the ability to infect) after 30 mins at 133 degrees,,, after 1 day at 83 degrees,, and after 100 days at 39 degrees,,, incidently if you do the math,, it looses infectivety after 7 days at 75 degrees. If you follow that up the scale, it's like 4 mins at 160 degrees. You can check the Abstract section in the following report for these numbers just so you don't think I'm yanking them out of thin air.
http://www.virologyj.com/content/6/1/38

as far as the virus sustaining viability on the surface of eggshells, I did find another that states that it does not live on them for more that a couple of days,,, if you all want I can dig that one back up as well,, but basicly, i think the transerance by egg would be fairly minimal,, considering that it takes a couple of days travel via the US postal service,,,, i do beleive John was tracked down via place that sold him his eggs,, were they even tested? i can't remeber if they were or not,, just his birds i think,, ,, again i would think that if the eggs were infected by the time he got them, his birds would have been exposed since he was unaware that the eggs were

 

[MrsBachbach]

I LEARN SOMETHING NEW EVERY DAY ON BYC!

WHAT SANITIZER SOLUTION BRAND DID YOU USE?


IT'S GREAT GETTING INPUT FROM PPL ACTUALLY EXPERIENCED IN HATCHING AFTER WASHING THEIR EGGS!

The simple bleach and water sanitizer. I believe I read one tablespoon per gallon of water. Warm water. Water temp must be warmer than the egg to prevent penetration into the eggshell.

 

[MrsBachbach]

I do believe that Marek's cannot survive on an egg shell. (Diseases of Poultry, chief Editor Saif)

I have a very simple way of cleaning eggs. I pick up the egg, spit on it and rub it on my shirt. Works every time.

Well that's interesting. Did it say why? The virus apparently survives on everything else for freaking years is my understanding. I wonder why not an eggshell? Is it the temperature of the incubator or something else?

 

[MrsBachbach]

That is very funny!

The only reason I don't kiss my chickens (very tempting sometimes on the very cute chickens!) is because I researched that chickens are not resistant to the numerous bacteria in human saliva so I am conscious of not feeding anything to the chickens that has been bitten/eaten/kissed/or spit by humans. After eating we also wash our hands and also prior to and after handling chickens or their feed. Correct me if I'm wrong but it was something I researched a couple years ago.

Well, I'm not going to tell my chickens that. They do love the left over bits on corn on the cob. Love it!
I can't imagine my mouth being worse than the dirt that corn cob gets rolled in.

 

[AmyLynn2374]

as far as the virus sustaining viability on the surface of eggshells, I did find another that states that it does not live on them for more that a couple of days,,, if you all want I can dig that one back up as well,, but basicly, i think the transerance by egg would be fairly minimal,, considering that it takes a couple of days travel via the US postal service,,,, i do beleive John was tracked down via place that sold him his eggs,, were they even tested? i can't remeber if they were or not,, just his birds i think,, ,, again i would think that if the eggs were infected by the time he got them, his birds would have been exposed since he was unaware that the eggs were

It was my understanding that they tested the eggs as well and even though they tested negative he let them take them.