Developing the grass in your yard for increasing free ranging nutrition

I agree! Or go with the vertical garden idea someone used to grow greens on their apartment patio, using pallets. One would have to have some good wire on it so that the birds didn't pull the plants out by the roots when they grazed. It would be better still to plant the greens right into the embedded wire so that their roots are entwined and entangled with the wire.




these are truely lovely.. . . . . as the little grey cells start spinning . . . .

Quote: Do you ever sell started packages?? I have tried these once and it resulted in mites,yuk, not meal worms. Not sure how to control the mites--- if you have suggestions.. . . .??
 
When you mentioned WDC between your vegie beds long ago in another thread, I envisioned just this for my sloped terrain-- prevents errosion and makes the area double duty.

I plant a "sacrifice" row of flowers by the garden each year that are a place for nuisance bugs to live and eat instead of on my veggies. Then the chickens are allowed into that row to eat any bugs they want, to use it for shade, etc. This past year we let the garden lie fallow but still planted our row of flowers and the bugs were incredibly plentiful in that row. The chickens would regularly glean that buffet over and over throughout the season, then also picked seeds from the flower heads also. I use a wildflower, sunflower mix and it's beautiful, functional and well worth the brief time it takes to sow the seed.









THe morning snows have turned my world white . . but I get to enjoy the glory of summer . . . .



Quote: My one hiccup remains, the butchering time. I can clean them, just not the step prior. THe only I solution I can come up with is posting a request for services at the grain store.

ANyone raise geese??
 
My one hiccup remains, the butchering time. I can clean them, just not the step prior. THe only I solution I can come up with is posting a request for services at the grain store.

We have the same issue here. Nobody wants to "do the deed" on the poultry. I faint quite easily (certified medical condition, honest
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The one guy who is a real sport about wrangling the live birds, and has even processed some clear through to cleaning the feet once when I was too sick to help, is a real sport about everything, so his time is "too valuable" to spend 10 minutes of it setting me up for the plucking and eviscerating.

The one guy who works here who steals all my best cull cockerels (
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It is HIGHLY frustrating to me. And sometimes it makes me think unpleasant thoughts about "men." Which probably isn't fair. But ...
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Maybe you can overcome this condition by just persevering over it. Say, put your bird in the cone, cut the throat and toss your knife to one side so you won't fall on it when you faint. Then let things happen. Fainting is no big deal if you are on turf/soft ground. When you wake up, you can get back to the business at hand. Then just keep doing that until the job is done. Wear a helmet if you must so you don't hit your head, but just keep plowing through until you either cannot get up again or you have finished the job.

Or put your bird in the cone, set your knife for the cut, close your eyes and make the cut, then turn around with your eyes still closed until all the bleeding and movement is done. Then proceed.

I read a story once about a little lady that had MS who was homesteading. She couldn't walk and couldn't push a chair over the hilly ground in her yard, so she crawled to do her chores of getting wood in, taking water and feed to the animals, gardening, harvesting, etc. Through the snow and rain, she crawled. She seemed quite happy about her efforts! When she got too tired, she would just lie down on the ground until she could go again. She didn't have any family to help her and the only help she got was for wood delivery as she couldn't cut and split the wood by herself.

After reading that I took a real assessment of my physical limitations or mental ones that told me I couldn't do something and I determined I would still do things...it may take me a long time, I may have to rest a lot, I may fall down or get hurt or any number of things.....but if I really want to do this thing or live this kind of life, I can do it. Nothing can really stop me.

I also knew a lady who was completely blind that took care of herself completely in her own home....she'd be out hanging up laundry in the middle of the night because she didn't have to think in terms of daylight or dark. Nothing really hindered her and she did all she wanted to do except for driving. And she was an old, old lady.
 
Maybe you can overcome this condition by just persevering over it. Say, put your bird in the cone, cut the throat and toss your knife to one side so you won't fall on it when you faint. Then let things happen. Fainting is no big deal if you are on turf/soft ground. When you wake up, you can get back to the business at hand. Then just keep doing that until the job is done. Wear a helmet if you must so you don't hit your head, but just keep plowing through until you either cannot get up again or you have finished the job.

Or put your bird in the cone, set your knife for the cut, close your eyes and make the cut, then turn around with your eyes still closed until all the bleeding and movement is done. Then proceed.

I read a story once about a little lady that had MS who was homesteading. She couldn't walk and couldn't push a chair over the hilly ground in her yard, so she crawled to do her chores of getting wood in, taking water and feed to the animals, gardening, harvesting, etc. Through the snow and rain, she crawled. She seemed quite happy about her efforts! When she got too tired, she would just lie down on the ground until she could go again. She didn't have any family to help her and the only help she got was for wood delivery as she couldn't cut and split the wood by herself.

After reading that I took a real assessment of my physical limitations or mental ones that told me I couldn't do something and I determined I would still do things...it may take me a long time, I may have to rest a lot, I may fall down or get hurt or any number of things.....but if I really want to do this thing or live this kind of life, I can do it. Nothing can really stop me.

I also knew a lady who was completely blind that took care of herself completely in her own home....she'd be out hanging up laundry in the middle of the night because she didn't have to think in terms of daylight or dark. Nothing really hindered her and she did all she wanted to do except for driving. And she was an old, old lady.

And if I had a nickel for every time someone suggested I just "get over it," I'd be able to buy myself several cooperative minions.

I was raised on the phrase "If Helen Keller could x, they you (expletives deleted) can!"
 
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Not get over it....get through it! Better still....how many times have you tried and in how many ways? That would give us a good idea as to the severity of the problem. I'm a nurse, so I've dealt with many, many medical conditions and I know that some people faint at the sight of blood due to a more sensitive nervous system than others....but sensitive can be toughened up with repeated exposure to something.

I've had folks who donated blood that fainted each time they came to donate....but they came back anyway. No matter how many times they would fall out of their chairs, pee their pants involuntarily, even have a mild seizure, and have to lie down with feet elevated for hours before they could proceed normally, they still insisted on doing it because it was a good cause. So I know folks are out there doing it anyway. I'm wondering if they did it more than once every so many days that they would condition their nervous system to not react in that manner each time or that the effects would be lessened over time.

Not pushing, you understand...I'm just spinning thought wheels in my mind as to how I'd approach this problem if it were my own. I have certain things that happen to me involuntarily when I get around heights, even drive over a steep mountain(and I live in the Mountain State)
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, etc. I also have motion sickness so severe that I throw up when I ride in any other than the driver seat of a vehicle, ride any kind of a fair ride or just anything that swings or goes around in a circle, elevators, etc.....I get dizzy, have to sit down, throw up and up and up. But...I do it anyway when I have to do it merely because throwing up and feeling like crap is only temporary and when I'm done doing the thing my life will go back to ordinary.
 
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Not get over it....get through it! Better still....how many times have you tried and in how many ways? That would give us a good idea as to the severity of the problem. I'm a nurse, so I've dealt with many, many medical conditions and I know that some people faint at the sight of blood due to a more sensitive nervous system than others....but sensitive can be toughened up with repeated exposure to something.

I've had folks who donated blood that fainted each time they came to donate....but they came back anyway. No matter how many times they would fall out of their chairs, pee their pants involuntarily, even have a mild seizure, and have to lie down with feet elevated for hours before they could proceed normally, they still insisted on doing it because it was a good cause. So I know folks are out there doing it anyway. I'm wondering if they did it more than once every so many days that they would condition their nervous system to not react in that manner each time or that the effects would be lessened over time.

Not pushing, you understand...I'm just spinning thought wheels in my mind as to how I'd approach this problem if it were my own. I have certain things that happen to me involuntarily when I get around heights, even drive over a steep mountain(and I live in the Mountain State)
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, etc. I also have motion sickness so severe that I throw up when I ride in any other than the driver seat of a vehicle, ride any kind of a fair ride or just anything that swings or goes around in a circle, elevators, etc.....I get dizzy, have to sit down, throw up and up and up. But...I do it anyway when I have to do it merely because throwing up and feeling like crap is only temporary and when I'm done doing the thing my life will go back to ordinary.
Yeah, I'm afraid of heights. And motion sickness. (only one of 400 people throwing up on a tour boat in Hawaii) I have to sit in the front seat or it's all over.
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But you know, I changed my life when I started saying to myself "I don't know I can't do it until I try" I have stretched myself so many times by saying this. I was in my late fifties when I started. Wish I had started at 20.

This week I bought shelves for my storeroom. Getting the brooder set up and ready. 6 more weeks.
 
Yeah, I'm afraid of heights. And motion sickness. (only one of 400 people throwing up on a tour boat in Hawaii) I have to sit in the front seat or it's all over.
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But you know, I changed my life when I started saying to myself "I don't know I can't do it until I try" I have stretched myself so many times by saying this. I was in my late fifties when I started. Wish I had started at 20.

This week I bought shelves for my storeroom. Getting the brooder set up and ready. 6 more weeks.

I did the same thing....went on a cruise and they always speed up the rpms during dinner hour and at night so they can make better time. Here I am staggering around the dining room, feeling like a drunk and throwing up all the goodies, getting dizzy and having to lie down but unable to sleep because I'm sick and have to toss cookies. It was still such an adventure that I don't really think about all the bad stuff.

Same with an extreme fear of bees and water I cannot see through that makes my heart feel like it's going to come out of my chest. I went ahead and got honeybees anyway simply because I will not let it defeat me. Went ahead and went snorkeling, body boarding, white water rafting, etc. and I really would like to sky dive, even if I have a heart attack on the way down and puke all the way up. Would love to learn to surf even though I'm deathly afraid of big things in deep water I cannot see through. I get sick on planes, boats, buses and trains...to where I feel like I will pass out if I do not lie down. Can't do ski lifts, overlooks or drive over high mountains without getting into heart palpitations though I don't really feel fear in my mind, my body does crazy things.

Some things I can't make my body stop doing even though my mind doesn't want it to do that, but I've always wanted to be free of those things so I just keep trying. And trying. And trying.

I don't think LJs is fear based either, though it derives from the same system. There are some people that just pass out when they see blood or give blood without even seeing it...it's a body thing and not a mind thing, much like what happens to my body when I get near tall places but my mind is still not registering fear..my legs start to hurt, my heart starts to race and I get dizzy...and all the while I really have no true fear of falling. Never did. It just sort of ...happens..and I can't make it stop.
 
I did the same thing....went on a cruise and they always speed up the rpms during dinner hour and at night so they can make better time. Here I am staggering around the dining room, feeling like a drunk and throwing up all the goodies, getting dizzy and having to lie down but unable to sleep because I'm sick and have to toss cookies. It was still such an adventure that I don't really think about all the bad stuff.

Same with an extreme fear of bees and water I cannot see through that makes my heart feel like it's going to come out of my chest. I went ahead and got honeybees anyway simply because I will not let it defeat me. Went ahead and went snorkeling, body boarding, white water rafting, etc. and I really would like to sky dive, even if I have a heart attack on the way down and puke all the way up. Would love to learn to surf even though I'm deathly afraid of big things in deep water I cannot see through. I get sick on planes, boats, buses and trains...to where I feel like I will pass out if I do not lie down. Can't do ski lifts, overlooks or drive over high mountains without getting into heart palpitations though I don't really feel fear in my mind, my body does crazy things.

Some things I can't make my body stop doing even though my mind doesn't want it to do that, but I've always wanted to be free of those things so I just keep trying. And trying. And trying.

I don't think LJs is fear based either, though it derives from the same system. There are some people that just pass out when they see blood or give blood without even seeing it...it's a body thing and not a mind thing, much like what happens to my body when I get near tall places but my mind is still not registering fear..my legs start to hurt, my heart starts to race and I get dizzy...and all the while I really have no true fear of falling. Never did. It just sort of ...happens..and I can't make it stop.

I started saying my little saying when I got a job doing weights at Shreveport's port. Twenty metal steps up to a tiny building to weigh trucks so they could unload. Up and down to the on ground office about 20 times a day. "I don't know I cant do it if I don't try." Worked that job 9 mo. Of course I wore my knees totally out.
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Speaking of Compost ... I think we posted about this in this thread before. It is a video about the Vermont Compost Company where they use chickens to make compost and compost piles to make eggs without additional feed. It is a wonderful symbiotic manufacturing process!

http://vermontcompost.com/2014/01/geoff-lawton-comes-to-vermont-compost/

This has inspired me to devote a big chunk of my existing poultry pasture to a composting enterprise. I put "HUGE pile of manure" on my Christmas list, and am still awaiting delivery, but have been told it's on its way.
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That would be so cool to get loads of chipped trees dumped, then loads of manure, then old produce, deep litter, etc. until you had a huge, steaming pile of rotting goodness...what a self-sustaining buffet for chickens that would be!!! Just think of the food you could grow with that pile and also if you borrowed from it to use in the garden....of course, one couldn't have any close neighbors when that thing starts to gas off in the summer months.
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As we have a few horses on the farm, managing manure is an issue of too much manure. THe old methods of management are , well old. We have been bumbling along trying a variety of methods. Each with its pros and cons. THe huge pile is huge and too deep to compost all the way thru. We dump directly on the lawn, and as long as I can get it spread thinly, it won't burn; otherwise, oops, knarly dead grass. THen we try to dump in the woods, to spread the goodness around; far to walk and slow to compost.

One big pile in the woods is my current experiement. One little knoll to put a good size coop high and dry too. Someday.

Generally I'm having a hard time killing off the ferns--- maybe just more sunlight , like 6-10 hrs a day will work. Just like Dracula-- sunlight burns. lol
 

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