Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

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What I really came on to say (before I was forced to get snarky with Oz), is that i just had a horrible hatch of silkies. Why are silkies so difficult for me?!

I have a friend who ordered some silkie chicks and I set them for her along with three of my own ameraucana eggs. They all went into the hatcher together but the ameraucanas hatched a day early. When they did, the humidity in the hatcher spiked. When I noticed the spike in humidity, I took steps to remove the hatching ameraucanas to a warm brooder and bring the humidity down, but it took like four hours before I got the humidity back down. The next day, I had one silkie pip. nothing else. I candled them and most were already internally pipped so I left them. 6 hours later, nothing. so I candled again and the same ones were still just internally pipped. so I made a little hole in the tops so that they could get enough oxygen. a few hours later, lots of chirping, no action. Now we're past due. I picked an egg at random and opened the hole enogh to peak in. Stuck chick. So I took the top off, daubed the membrane with surfactant and unstuck the chick. Did this with all the eggs. Long story short, I ended up assisting all 12 of them and lost one to too much moisture in the egg. I had to give three of them some lasix to get rid of fluid in the lungs, the lasix worked. I now have one who lost a fair amount of blood coming out of the egg (sliced a vessel with its toe). I betadined the vessels and then tied them off but the chick lost about a half a teaspoon of blood before I could tie it off. Now the chick is alive, but won't open its eyes. Its walking and talking but seems a little on the mushy side. Any suggestions on what I can do to help? I was thinking b-comp or red cell or electrolytes. Something I could give sub-q would be best, wouldn't it? I wouldn't be worrying so much about it, but its a lavender and I haven't had a lavender yet. I really want to present this beautiful lavender silkie chick to my friend.
 
i fumigate with ptassium permanganate and formaldehyde

dipping in bleach solution would be second choice or for sanding
Oz, what is your cheapest source for the potassium permanganate and formaldehyde fumigant. Could I use a nebulizer chamber to do this on a small scale? Or would the formaldehyde mess up my nebulizer? (Its strictly a chicken nebulizer)
 
Oh, last thing before I actually have to go work and make money which is way less fun than BYC: I hatched a button quail! Is there anything cuter than a baby button quail. The adults are frackin' useless, but the babies are so freakin' cute I can't stand it.
 
What I really came on to say (before I was forced to get snarky with Oz), is that i just had a horrible hatch of silkies. Why are silkies so difficult for me?!

I have a friend who ordered some silkie chicks and I set them for her along with three of my own ameraucana eggs. They all went into the hatcher together but the ameraucanas hatched a day early. When they did, the humidity in the hatcher spiked. When I noticed the spike in humidity, I took steps to remove the hatching ameraucanas to a warm brooder and bring the humidity down, but it took like four hours before I got the humidity back down. The next day, I had one silkie pip. nothing else. I candled them and most were already internally pipped so I left them. 6 hours later, nothing. so I candled again and the same ones were still just internally pipped. so I made a little hole in the tops so that they could get enough oxygen. a few hours later, lots of chirping, no action. Now we're past due. I picked an egg at random and opened the hole enogh to peak in. Stuck chick. So I took the top off, daubed the membrane with surfactant and unstuck the chick. Did this with all the eggs. Long story short, I ended up assisting all 12 of them and lost one to too much moisture in the egg. I had to give three of them some lasix to get rid of fluid in the lungs, the lasix worked. I now have one who lost a fair amount of blood coming out of the egg (sliced a vessel with its toe). I betadined the vessels and then tied them off but the chick lost about a half a teaspoon of blood before I could tie it off. Now the chick is alive, but won't open its eyes. Its walking and talking but seems a little on the mushy side. Any suggestions on what I can do to help? I was thinking b-comp or red cell or electrolytes. Something I could give sub-q would be best, wouldn't it? I wouldn't be worrying so much about it, but its a lavender and I haven't had a lavender yet. I really want to present this beautiful lavender silkie chick to my friend.

Shipped? they have week air cells, I have tried many so far and they are easily disturbed in route. I hatched plenty of my own silkies without any issues, same goes with polish :(

I dont know what to tell you, I never help a chick that cant feed itself, I cull them immediately and I am just being honest. About as far as I will go if they are somewhat alert is put a ball of grow gel in the mouth and if they eat it they eat it, no chance for aspiration and if they dont eat it, well they dont lol. I dont give but a few hours to see progress and if none, I dont mess around with them.
 
Oh, last thing before I actually have to go work and make money which is way less fun than BYC: I hatched a button quail! Is there anything cuter than a baby button quail. The adults are frackin' useless, but the babies are so freakin' cute I can't stand it.
oh they are cute little useless boogers, esp when you have all girls and no boys in the bunch
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I know, I just had a second one hatch. I had two girls pass at around the same time (they're expiration date had passed, they were over 3 yrs old and from the same hatch) So I figured with the one pair left, I would hatch some eggs and hopefully get all girls so that they can just go in with the one boy.
 
DAY 7 of 2nd Batch Silky Duck

Candle & Weigh in results

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Day 7 = One clear pulled, 13 of 14 viable

5.97% weight loss at average, trying for 14-15% weight loss to draw down/first internal pip

100-100.5 temps, room RH 20-35%, No water added to incubator except return of the wet dipped eggs brings it up for short time.

Wet sanded GENTLY UPRIGHT today day 7 (600 grit black waterproof sandpaper)
house hold bleach solution (
1 oz to 3 quarts 104 degree water, rinsing with 104 degree water)
Possibly wasn't needed as weight loss was good but I feel its easier to add humidity than take away, knowing the issues these have with weight loss.
I would probably do this sanding from the start next time instead of just using a wash rag and bleach solution at initial set.






Day 7 eggs are Black sharpie,
I used sharpie because wetting them wears off the pencil lines, I need to pick up a thin tip sharpie, even though I use sharpie heavily and never had any issues.
what a difference having scrubbed the cuticle off on this set, as you can see they are almost even with the day 19 I set before in there with pencil lines!



Will weigh again day 10, will set candler on a few each day to see if I need to add water to bator


Adding a thought, I may move some of the better weight loss eggs to the coolerbator earlier this time around so that I can adjust humidity better and get them all on the same track since some are further along than others.



Sandpaper I am using to wet sand duck eggs, it has no name and DH doesnt have the cardboard it was wrapped in, sold at lowes I am sure!





NOTE: USE 104 degree DISTILLED WATER WHEN SPRAYING
 
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Oz, what is your cheapest source for the potassium permanganate and formaldehyde fumigant.  Could I use a nebulizer chamber to do this on a small scale?  Or would the formaldehyde mess up my nebulizer? (Its strictly a chicken nebulizer)


It's actually a chemical reaction that generates the gas. You just put out in an old tin can on a ceramic saucer to absorb the heat.

I bought a Gallon of formaldehyde at a local chemical supply store. The potassium Permangate from a water treatment place.


A couple of ounces treats my whole incubator room.

As far a the needle for fowl pox, it's a singer double sewing machine needle you dip in the vaccine and stab the wing web
 
So, do I need to do anything different with my Serama egg? I'm on day 15 (with all the eggs) and I've heard they hatch a bit early. I'm getting a little nervous because I've had issues with the 'bator holding temp when I up the humidity. I think the fan cools the water in the bator, and the whole thing gets cold. Any suggestions?
 
So, do I need to do anything different with my Serama egg? I'm on day 15 (with all the eggs) and I've heard they hatch a bit early. I'm getting a little nervous because I've had issues with the 'bator holding temp when I up the humidity. I think the fan cools the water in the bator, and the whole thing gets cold. Any suggestions?
I cant remember what bator you have but the fan should not cool the water.

add water thats around 110F

before you start tweaking any dial, give the bator a chance to normalize.

I have never hatched serama but i am told they hatch as early as 19 days.
 
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