Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[rbaker0345]

Doesn't an excess of selenium also cause white muscle disease? That's a scary one.


Is the typhoon projected to hit near you? The weather channel has it heading toward Tiawan and it mentioned something about the Philippenes.

 

[rbaker0345]

A good source for information on whether or not you need to supplement with vitamin E and Selenium is your local Extension office. They will have info on what nutrients the local soil is deficient in. This is how I know that our soil is extremely deficient in selenium and by checking the tag on the feed I'm buying from a local mill, I can tell that their feed is deficient in selenium. They have selenium in the ingredients but they don't add vitamin E and while some of the ingredients they use do contain vitamin E, the guaranteed analysis doesn't contain vitamin E or selenium.

I had a hen come down with mareks- like symptoms (wobbly legs and a stubborn sinus inf.) but she wasn't completely mareks- like because she wasn't losing weight and she wasn't lethargic at all. So I started giving her some yolk from my free rangers and I top dressed with a basic supplement that contains vita E and selenium along with a good range of nutrients. I also put her on denagard because a swab of her sinuses showed some spirochetes. She is moving much better now, she even jumped up and down into the run under her hutch. I am really thinking that I need to give some serious thought to making a change to the feed I give my breeders and maybe even tweaking the feed I give my free rangers. I might just have to steal Oz's feed formulation. I checked with my local mill and they do sell fish meal.

I was just wondering if the fish meal gives an off flavor to meat or eggs.

 

[rbaker0345]

Oz, where do you get all of your info on nutrient requirements for poultry? I am having trouble finding it on the web. Are you using a book? Just looking for a good resource. Kathy?

 

[casportpony]

Oz, where do you get all of your info on nutrient requirements for poultry? I am having trouble finding it on the web. Are you using a book? Just looking for a good resource. Kathy?

This link has some info:
http://edis.ifas.ufl.edu/ps046

-Kathy

 

[rbaker0345]

I love your new pic Sally, you are so pretty.

When are you coming to Ocracoke?

Were those silkied ducklings that you had posted pics/video of?

 

[Sally Sunshine]

I love your new pic Sally, you are so pretty.

When are you coming to Ocracoke?

Were those silkied ducklings that you had posted pics/video of?

lol thanks, yes silkied, but I sold them a week ago. Ducks that quack alot and my dogs barking at them, DO NOT make for good neighbors even in the mnts. lol

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Vitamin Deficiencies in Backyard Chicks and Chickens http://networkedblogs.com/Unsff

Quote:

my baggies sure makes it easy to dispense when i am in a hurry without fear of overdosing.

http://www.ebay.com/itm/221301285299?ssPageName=STRK:MEWNX:IT&_trksid=p3984.m1497.l2649

i also use them to put vitamin and electrolyte mix in usable volumes.

i am experimenting with making my own gro-gel too

 

[ozexpat]

Oz, where do you get all of your info on nutrient requirements for poultry?  I am having trouble finding it on the web.  Are you using a book?  Just looking for a good resource.  Kathy?

I get feed nutritional values from www.feedipedia.com. the rest I just dig out of journal articles.

I read a lot on nutritional deficiencies and worked backwards to see what the common issues are and then applied them to my ingredients.

My birds are laying. My eggs are hatching and I have three generations that have only eaten my feed recipe so I figure I must be doing it right.

I don't get bogged down in chicken problems. I have not had an illness in a long time that required intervention.

The game changer for me was when I started vaccinating for coryza. It did some major damage to birds when they hit the three month mark. Since I started vaccinating at 8 weeks I have not had a sniffle.

I vaccinate for Marek's, Newcastle, fowl pox and coryza. My imported egg chicks get Marek's on day 1. The rest I vaccinate within 3 weeks as it's to expensive to vaccinate every week. They also get fowl pox jabs in the brooder. Newcastle is alternated between the two stains every three months.

I have had three or four random non symptomatic deaths in the last six months. I did lose some polish chicks in a grow out pen during a storm and 2 to falling coconuts.

I also lose one in a hundred in the brooder from unknown causes.
I worm with valbazen and ivermectin pour on every three months as well.

Despite the humid hot conditions my birds are doing well

 

[subhanalah]

A good source for information on whether or not you need to supplement with vitamin E and Selenium is your local Extension office.  They will have info on what nutrients the local soil is deficient in.  This is how I know that our soil is extremely deficient in selenium and by checking the tag on the feed I'm buying from a local mill, I can tell that their feed is deficient in selenium.  They have selenium in the ingredients but they don't add vitamin E and while some of the ingredients they use do contain vitamin E, the guaranteed analysis doesn't contain vitamin E or selenium.

I had a hen come down with mareks- like symptoms (wobbly legs and a stubborn sinus inf.) but she wasn't completely mareks- like because she wasn't losing weight and she wasn't lethargic at all.  So I started giving her some yolk from my free rangers and I top dressed with a basic supplement that contains vita E and selenium along with a good range of nutrients.   I also put her on denagard because a swab of her sinuses showed some spirochetes.  She is moving much better now, she even jumped up and down into the run under her hutch.  I am really thinking that I need to give some serious thought to making a change to the feed I give my breeders and maybe even tweaking the feed I give my free rangers.  I might just have to steal Oz's feed formulation.  I checked with my local mill and they do sell fish meal.

I was just wondering if the fish meal gives an off flavor to meat or eggs.

I was wondering about the fish meal thing too...The non-soy, non-gmo stuff I found uses fish meal.

And yes, I realize it's mostly MARKETING that has such big "non-soy and non-gmo" in capital letters across the center of the bag....but I legitimately don't want soy in my feed and can't afford organic...so it is what it is.

 

[ozexpat]

I was wondering about the fish meal thing too...The non-soy, non-gmo stuff I found uses fish meal.

And yes, I realize it's mostly MARKETING that has such big "non-soy and non-gmo" in capital letters across the center of the bag....but I legitimately don't want soy in my feed and can't afford organic...so it is what it is.

No the fish meal does not leave a fishy residue in chicken or eggs

Remember you are just using a very small amount.

If you are totally organic then you have to use "wild caught" fish meal - not farm raised as farm raised will be eating GMO corn.

Mine is Tuna straight out of the Pacific Ocean.