Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[Sally Sunshine]

like this just with membranes labeled

 

[Roxannemc]

Still reading cleaning tips etc, Sally. found this:

http://www.brinsea.com/news/disinfect.html

And people in laboratories growing and incubating cells? Say swab with 10% bleach solution and then spray with 70% ethanol...

Some say ad a "pinch" of copper sulphate to the water when incubating, but it can corrode the stainless steel parts in the incubator and one genius said take the incubator to the car wash and clean it with a compressor

I'll see if I can find anything on the pennies... here you go:

Historically, copper has been used as a way to control microbial contamination, including that of bacteria, viruses and fungi. Ancient civilizations including the Aztecs, Greeks and Romans used copper as a topical treatment for skin diseases and wounds,5 and copper vessels have long been safely used to store water and other foods. Copper can inactivate enzymes and damage proteins in the cell, since Cu2+ ions penetrate the pores of cell membranes and react with the -SH groups of enzymes, thus altering protein structure. Stainless steel and aluminum do not inhibit microbial life, and alloys with minimal copper content show much less benefit. The antimicrobial effect is directly related to the amount and quality of the copper used. Pure copper has been proven to be the most effective antimicrobial surface material, with an ability to inactivate methicillin-resistant Staphylococcus aureus in only 1.5 hours. Alloys containing less copper, such as brass, show a much slower response and considerably less antimicrobial effect overall.5
Some CO2 incubators offer an option of copper interiors to inhibit growth of any germs that may enter the incubator when the door is opened. As noted above, only 100 percent pure copper will eliminate microbial contaminants effectively within minutes. The Cu2+ ions in solid copper will not become airborne, so cultures in dishes and flasks are not at risk. This is a great way to have continuous antimicrobial protection in the cell culture incubator that will last the life of the incubator while requiring minimum maintenance. Imam El-Danasouri of California Reproductive Laboratories, a long-time user of copper-lined incubators, explains, “...copper incubators reduce the possibility for infection in the humidification water or on the incubator walls.”6

Some Questions.
..It says copper is "resistant".. not kill... is that the same thing?I mean it will" resist" germs on the copper wall so good to build and line the bator walls of it but a exisitng bator what about the germs there already on the styrofoam ? or am i being picky?

So do the pennys stay in the incubator during hatch too?

The disinfectant Sally found.I am sure it works...but ..i guess im cheap and skeptical.... wonder what its made of ?...If its just alcolhol and water.? or bleach and water...does it say anywhere.?

Another thing...a broodys nest if for sure not germ free with her feet walking in poo etc.....ARe germ free precautions really necessary?and the egg has the bloom on it to protect it too.Just wondering about it all.Not sayng yay or nay

Some say vinegar leaves an acid free enviroment wouldnt it be a nice safe bator cleaner.?I read years ago to clean your hummingbird feeder with it.
Anoteher question( im full of um.)...even if you clean all with the cleaner what about the fan blades and heater other parts you cant touch with liquid? Arent they just blowing the germs back info the bator ?

 

[Sparkypatriot15]

http://www.copper.org/antimicrobial/properties/multimedia/homepage.html



PROOF of Copper Killing the Bacteria!!

YA MUST WATCH THIS VIDEO Now~ I am ASSUMING that we MUST use pennies BEFORE 1982 because of the copper content???? someone researching this??? I know pennies made after that have not near the copper.

Coins before 1982 were 95+ percent copper according to the U.S. Mint website. It is pennies after 1982 that consist of a copper plated zinc core.

Still reading cleaning tips etc, Sally. found this: http://www.brinsea.com/news/disinfect.html And people in laboratories growing and incubating cells? Say swab with 10% bleach solution and then spray with 70% ethanol... Some say ad a "pinch" of copper sulphate to the water when incubating, but it can corrode the stainless steel parts in the incubator and one genius said take the incubator to the car wash and clean it with a compressor I'll see if I can find anything on the pennies... here you go:
Historically, copper has been used as a way to control microbial contamination, including that of bacteria, viruses and fungi. Ancient civilizations including the Aztecs, Greeks and Romans used copper as a topical treatment for skin diseases and wounds,[SIZE=.6em][SUP]5[/SUP][/SIZE] and copper vessels have long been safely used to store water and other foods. Copper can inactivate enzymes and damage proteins in the cell, since Cu2+ ions penetrate the pores of cell membranes and react with the -SH groups of enzymes, thus altering protein structure. Stainless steel and aluminum do not inhibit microbial life, and alloys with minimal copper content show much less benefit. The antimicrobial effect is directly related to the amount and quality of the copper used. Pure copper has been proven to be the most effective antimicrobial surface material, with an ability to inactivate methicillin-resistant [COLOR=000066]Staphylococcus aureus[/COLOR] in only 1.5 hours. Alloys containing less copper, such as brass, show a much slower response and considerably less antimicrobial effect overall.[SIZE=.6em][SUP]5[/SUP][/SIZE]
Some CO[SUB]2[/SUB] incubators offer an option of copper interiors to inhibit growth of any germs that may enter the incubator when the door is opened. As noted above, only 100 percent pure copper will eliminate microbial contaminants effectively within minutes. The Cu2+ ions in solid copper will not become airborne, so cultures in dishes and flasks are not at risk. This is a great way to have continuous antimicrobial protection in the cell culture incubator that will last the life of the incubator while requiring minimum maintenance. Imam El-Danasouri of California Reproductive Laboratories, a long-time user of copper-lined incubators, explains, “...copper incubators reduce the possibility for infection in the humidification water or on the incubator walls.”[SIZE=.6em][SUP]6[/SUP][/SIZE]

Yup, the more pure the copper te more effective it is. I just went around an found a bunch of pennies and washed them and scattered them around my incubator, and it did a pretty good job of keeping the bacteria out. I tested it myself to be sure- the first incubation I had cleaned the bator but had no pennies at all, and I had a bacteria catastrophe. The next time, I washed the bator and put aluminum foil over the bottom of the bator and a ton of pennies on top of that, as also some pennies around the eggs and I hardly had a single trace of bacteria at all and I got my best hatch results. So, it really does work! I also had done some research and watched some videos on it before I tried and it looked like it would work pretty well at stopping the bacteria before it ever entered the incubator. I hope this helps!!!!!!!

 

[Sparkypatriot15]

Some Questions.
..It says  copper is "resistant".. not kill... is that the same thing?I mean it will" resist" germs on the copper wall  so good to build and line  the bator walls of it   but a exisitng bator what about  the germs there already on the styrofoam ? or am i  being picky?

  So do the pennys stay in the incubator during hatch too?

The disinfectant Sally found.I am sure it works...but ..i guess im cheap  and skeptical.... wonder  what its made of ?...If its just alcolhol and water.? or bleach and water...does it  say anywhere.?

Another thing...a broodys nest if for sure not germ free with her feet walking in poo etc.....ARe germ free precautions really necessary?and the egg has the bloom on it to protect it too.Just wondering about it all.Not sayng yay or nay

Some say vinegar leaves an acid free enviroment  wouldnt it be a nice safe  bator cleaner.?I read years ago to clean your hummingbird feeder with it.
Anoteher question( im full of um.)...even if you clean all with the cleaner what about the fan blades and heater  other parts you cant touch with  liquid? Arent  they just blowing the germs back info the bator ?  

For the resistant/kill thing, I watched a video while researching this a couple months ago and it showed a plate of pure copper, and they put fresh, live, healthy bacteria on it and it killed the bacteria within a few minutes. But that is pure copper. The pennies or other copper materials with help resist the bacteria and help prevent its growth, but on the places where there is no copper a little bacteria can still grow. But my bator was styrafoam and I didn't see any bacteria growing after I washed it and put the pennies in. I left the pennies in all through the hatch. I'm not sure about germ precautions with an actual bird, but I don't think they're nearly as necessary. And whoa that vinegar leaf thing is awesome!!

 

[Sparkypatriot15]

I know right??? I will be asking for those two wonderful ladies help more often!!!! This is the next one.... maybe 3D can do one and Sparky the other!! but I would like to also point to inner and out membranes and title them as such, because that is what we use and refer to. I have noticed alot of people dont realize there are 2 membranes.... OR WE CAN DO A THIRD PIC and make that a membrane labeled diagram!!

like this just with membranes labeled

I'll draw one

 

[Roxannemc]

OMG I LOVE THEM!!! Let me know when you get eggs! Maybe this fall...I won't be able to incubate in the summer because we live in a very high humidity space...usually I am using a dehumidifer everyday from room to room in the summer

Pretty nice!!

 

[Roxannemc]

For the resistant/kill thing, I watched a video while researching this a couple months ago and it showed a plate of pure copper, and they put fresh, live, healthy bacteria on it and it killed the bacteria within a few minutes. But that is pure copper. The pennies or other copper materials with help resist the bacteria and help prevent its growth, but on the places where there is no copper a little bacteria can still grow. But my bator was styrafoam and I didn't see any bacteria growing after I washed it and put the pennies in. I left the pennies in all through the hatch. I'm not sure about germ precautions with an actual bird, but I don't think they're nearly as necessary. And whoa that vinegar leaf thing is awesome!!

HUmmm well copper sounds pretty good and if you left the copper penneys in while your hatch went on guess it didnt hurt the chickies so If it cant hurt.... might help some huh?
I dornt know what i washed my bator with last time but the water tray was sort of gummy with growth last 2 times before i washed it. .this time it was good !!..might have used a touch of bleach but this time washing it didnt see a thing on it!
.Now i wish i knew what i used!
This time i used bleach......I know ..not good.... but a dash and rinsed with hot water really well until it didnt smell.Dont know what else can get in the styrafoam cracks and maybe kill whats in there!..Im a big bleach user.i ahvwe bigand little dogs and i really have to.
I used vinegar before but a few hatches ago i stopped Dont know why.Was just thinking how do i know it s effective enough?My waterers have AVC and they get gummy anyway..Gues not enough.Has to be higher

 

[Roxannemc]

Well I read in your signature you have 23 full size or bigger breed chickens...I only have 4 little Silkies.. lol I can't imagine them having no heat, but this is coming from the person that kept chickens in the house for 7 months..until the rooster made it impossible lol then I had to let them go and be real chickens haha

Dont feel bad..... i have hatched out 3 hatches since fall(addicted) and too cold for them out now..Snow 30's teens
7 weekold .5 weeks old ....4 days olds and some eggs hatching JAN 9 and 14TH
Just buiilt a big cage 55x30 for the bigger ones to go over my garden tub Should take them to warmer weather i hope. 4 are Bantam brahmas, 3 are Lav EEs .(Anyone but BYCers would faint.) and three 4 day old part English BBS Orps ....they will get BIG i know . !! Next to hatch dont expect more than 3 each.
.I dont use this bathroom at all and dont have a basement my garage/shed/barn thing is too cold detached metal no insulation... so??? over tub they go Right now they are in tub In totes and around the bathroom more boxes of BIRDS!!!!! HAHA
..

 

[Sparkypatriot15]

HUmmm well  copper sounds  pretty good and if you left the copper penneys in while your hatch went on guess it didnt hurt the chickies so  If it cant hurt.... might help some huh?
I dornt  know what i washed my bator with last time but the water tray was sort of gummy with growth last 2  times    before i washed it. .this time  it  was good !!..might have used a touch of  bleach but this time washing it didnt see a thing on it!
.Now i wish i knew what i used!
This time i used bleach......I know ..not good.... but a dash and rinsed with hot water really well until it didnt smell.Dont know what else can get in the styrafoam cracks and maybe kill whats in there!..Im a big bleach  user.i ahvwe bigand little dogs and i really have to.
I  used vinegar before   but a few hatches ago i stopped Dont know why.Was just thinking how do  i know it s effective enough?My waterers have AVC and they get gummy anyway..Gues not enough.Has to be higher

Well, when I used the pennies, after the chicks hatched the water tray was gummy, but after about a day the gummyness disappeared and I thought maybe the copper helped? Hmmm I've never used bleach before. You could also try using chick-safe disinfecting wipes and anti-bacterial spray when cleaning the bator, it works pretty well

 

[sumi]

Here's another technique I found: http://wildpro.twycrosszoo.org/S/00...s/WfowlHusbIndTech/FormaldehydeFumigation.htm

I saw someone on another forum suggest using a permanganate and formulin solution to clean the incubators, but I've no idea what country they are in or if it's available in the US.

Personally I think a good anti-fungal product will work. Then a 10% bleach solution sprayed in the 'bator?

Roxannemc: ACV recommended ratio is maximum 2% to 98% water and do not use metal containers.