GO CHICKIE GO!!!!
MY FIRST PIP!!!!
Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching
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My7 pathetic little bedheads...jut put in brooder BBS ORPS
Maybe its my mind but i swear i see 2 more star cracks in the bator!!!(day 23)Hard to tell one is a tiny dot of a very small hole and the other i have to crane my neck and its on the far side but ???
I did see 5 that were all dark only 3 that moved at day17.
Wellwas gonna turn it off but guess i wont now until i seel
Later. tonite
..yes see 2 but havent done more chipping and both are at the WRONG END!! One is thru so maybe he can live .who knows.but a really pin point size hole Ither a star rakxc not thru aat all. Probably died
Maybe its my mind but i swear i see 2 more star cracks in the bator!!!(day 23)Hard to tell one is a tiny dot of a very small hole and the other i have to crane my neck and its on the far side but ???
I did see 5 that were all dark only 3 that moved at day17.
Wellwas gonna turn it off but guess i wont now until i seel
Later. tonite
..yes see 2 but havent done more chipping and both are at the WRONG END!! One is thru so maybe he can live .who knows.but a really pin point size hole Ither a star rakxc not thru aat all. Probably died
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SOOOOO I am now FERMENTING the first feed!!! YAY
I thought it was complicated so I never did it, and someone on the NYDhatch thread made it simple for us!!!
FERMENTING FOR DUMMIES
or
FERMENTING FOR BEGINNERS lol
Its funny because I cleaned coops today and after I saw all that wasted mash and then when I filled feed up and saw the girls just pushing the mash all out of the feeder I thought I had been so stupid for NOT DOING it....
I am going to video tape the girls making the mess and then when they eat the mash FF!! Can you imagine how much time we will save if the amonia in the coop is put off for a longer time period too!! YAY only plusses here!! It may be more work feeding but that beats cleaning any day!!!
All I did was start with chick starter and a 5 gal bucket, starting with med chick starter for the chicks and will be doing with the mash for the others SOON!
Several PA'er do it... Bruce does, Chad how is bruce?
added some warm water and added UP ACV with "the mother" about 1.5 cups
and the feed slowly and kept adding water as needed until it was mixed well and about 6 inches from the top of the bucket.
Keep in a warm place 65-75 degrees for 2-4 days so its starts fermenting.....
then you only strain the feed you will use and replace that much feed and add water as needed.
Sorta like sour dough bread, you need the "starter" so you gotta start that process and then it keeps on going!
This is a paste from my notes from several people so far... and then the link at the bottom is a WONDERFUL thread read!!
my notes so far and they are from several dif people LOL
What the heck is fermented feed and why on earth would you want to give it to chickens?
Fermentation of foods has been done for hundreds of years by many cultures. If you have ever consumed cheese, yogurt, sourdough bread, wine, beer kimchi or sauerkraut (just to name a few) you have eaten a fermented food.
The fermentation process uses naturally occurring bacteria to partially break down the food, improving its enzyme content and increasing its levels of vitamins B, C and K. It also makes food more digestible, and boosts the "usable" protein level by about 12 percent.
The other benefits to using fermented feed:
Feed consumption and waste will drop by 1/2 to 3/4 (this will save you money)
Poultry on a diet of fermented feed are generally healthier and less likely to contract disease
There is almost zero waste as chickens don't scratch through it, kicking it out of the feeder
Stools become more solid and many people report less smell in the coop and run!
Egg yolks of eggs laid by hens on fermented feed will become noticeably larger, and shells will be more solid.
Endeavor
In my Fermented Feed, I use:
scratch grains,
Purina Flock Raiser crumbles or Layena pellets (depending on the age of the flock)
black oil sunflower seeds with the shell on
safflower seed without the shel
and sometimes others things (end of the oatmeal, heels of dry bread, veggie scraps, etc)
I started with Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar "with the Mother", about two tablespoons full, in 1 and 1/2 gallons of water straight from the outside hydrant in a three gallon bucket.
I added a large scoop of scratch, one third of a scoop of crumbles (or pellets), quarter of a scoop of black oil sunflower seeds, small handful of safflower seeds. I "swirl" the bucket around, cover with a piece of cardboard large enough to cover the whole top of the bucket.
I kept it in the barn during the fall but it now resides on the laundry room floor.
To feed, I have a plastic colander that put over a second bucket (mine is a horse water bucket that has one flat side intended to hang against a wall). I pour the mix into the colander which holds the grains, seeds and "swollen" crumbles/pellets. It drains while I open the coop doors and check waterers. I then put the mix into various bowls/dishes/troughs around the coop and yard so that everyone gets a fair chance to eat. I use a smaller plastic scoop to serve it up.
I take the liquid left from draining and put it back it the bucket and add water to get it back to 1 and 1/2 gallons and add the grains, seeds and feed. No need to add more ACV.
Great stuff! Finished my Freedom Rangers on it and now my flock all gets it.
I can post pics tomorrow of the buckets and colander if interested but right now it is my bedtime.......
Sally, I stopped here, several pages back, to let you know how I do it. I just have one bucket at the moment, I think two buckets would be best because then I could have the feed ferment longer. But as it is, what I do is try to feed everyone last time around noon, then I take my bag of mash, pour a bit more than I think I'll need for the next day into the bucket, add tepid water a couple of inches above the feed after stirring (it sucks up a lot of water) then set it down to ferment until about 9 AM the next day. The original bucket full, I added ACV to get the fermentation started. It smells like beer!
I use a spaghetti spoon to scoop and drain out the feed, then dish it out into bowls for the birds that way. It's easy and I just add feed the next afternoon to feed out the next morning, keeping it in the house at about 60-70 degrees. It may not be as long a fermentation as it should be though. I plan on doing this with two buckets so they get a day and a half to ferment instead. I'm using home depot orange buckets and lids (lids put on loosely to keep interior clean but allow the air to escape (it bubbles). I find this to be the easiest for me, rather than a double bucket system. Also, since I use mash, I think it'd go right through any holes I'd drill at the bottom, also, doesn't feed got through anyway and collect in the bottom bucket? I dunno? But it works for me and the birds like it
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I drilled small holes in a 5 gal. bucket and placed it down into another. Place the grain in the top bucket, cover the grain/feed with water and soak. I speeded up the fermentation process by introducing a little unpasteurized ACV with a good mother culture in it.
You don't have to do it in the sieve system I setup but it comes in handy to just lift your grain bucket up and let the excess fermented fluid drain off before you feed. Depending on the warmth of the place in which you are doing your fermenting, soaking 8-15 hours is supposed to give your grain time to ferment enough to produce the valuable probiotics you are looking for. They are just pulled from the air...unless you want to speed it up like I did.
I just keep the same fluid in the bottom bucket and just add fresh water when necessary to get the right level to cover my feed. They call that backslopping....keeps those strong cultures in your grain fermenting system. Think sourdough bread...same thing.
Fermenting your grains is supposed to increase your protein by 12%, increase the absorption of your feed nutrients, increase total nutrient value, increase bowel health, increase laying performance, help prevent disease~particularly the intestinal ones like cocci, salmonella, e.coli, lower total feed consumption and thus total feed costs but will cause more weight gain on the lesser amounts of feed.
I've been doing this with my new CX chicks(54) and we are on their 4 th day. Their poop now looks like normal chicken feces, they have consumed less feed than they normally have by now, seem more content on the feed they are eating, prefer the fermented over the dry and are growing well. All bright, active and gaining ground. I am also offering buttermilk free choice in one waterer and unpasteurized ACV in the water of the other waterer...they can't get enough of it but don't seem to have the excessive thirst the CX normally have. Could be because they are not dehydrated from the constant diarrhea typical of this breed.
I drilled small holes in a 5 gal. bucket and placed it down into another. Place the grain in the top bucket, cover the grain/feed with water and soak. I speeded up the fermentation process by introducing a little unpasteurized ACV with a good mother culture in it.
You don't have to do it in the sieve system I setup but it comes in handy to just lift your grain bucket up and let the excess fermented fluid drain off before you feed. Depending on the warmth of the place in which you are doing your fermenting, soaking 8-15 hours is supposed to give your grain time to ferment enough to produce the valuable probiotics you are looking for. They are just pulled from the air...unless you want to speed it up like I did.
I just keep the same fluid in the bottom bucket and just add fresh water when necessary to get the right level to cover my feed. They call that backslopping....keeps those strong cultures in your grain fermenting system. Think sourdough bread...same thing.
Fermenting your grains is supposed to increase your protein by 12%, increase the absorption of your feed nutrients, increase total nutrient value, increase bowel health, increase laying performance, help prevent disease~particularly the intestinal ones like cocci, salmonella, e.coli, lower total feed consumption and thus total feed costs but will cause more weight gain on the lesser amounts of feed.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/644300/fermenting-feed-for-meat-birds
I thought it was complicated so I never did it, and someone on the NYDhatch thread made it simple for us!!!
FERMENTING FOR DUMMIES
or
FERMENTING FOR BEGINNERS lol
Its funny because I cleaned coops today and after I saw all that wasted mash and then when I filled feed up and saw the girls just pushing the mash all out of the feeder I thought I had been so stupid for NOT DOING it....
I am going to video tape the girls making the mess and then when they eat the mash FF!! Can you imagine how much time we will save if the amonia in the coop is put off for a longer time period too!! YAY only plusses here!! It may be more work feeding but that beats cleaning any day!!!
All I did was start with chick starter and a 5 gal bucket, starting with med chick starter for the chicks and will be doing with the mash for the others SOON!
Several PA'er do it... Bruce does, Chad how is bruce?
added some warm water and added UP ACV with "the mother" about 1.5 cups
and the feed slowly and kept adding water as needed until it was mixed well and about 6 inches from the top of the bucket.
Keep in a warm place 65-75 degrees for 2-4 days so its starts fermenting.....
then you only strain the feed you will use and replace that much feed and add water as needed.
Sorta like sour dough bread, you need the "starter" so you gotta start that process and then it keeps on going!
This is a paste from my notes from several people so far... and then the link at the bottom is a WONDERFUL thread read!!
my notes so far and they are from several dif people LOL
What the heck is fermented feed and why on earth would you want to give it to chickens?
Fermentation of foods has been done for hundreds of years by many cultures. If you have ever consumed cheese, yogurt, sourdough bread, wine, beer kimchi or sauerkraut (just to name a few) you have eaten a fermented food.
The fermentation process uses naturally occurring bacteria to partially break down the food, improving its enzyme content and increasing its levels of vitamins B, C and K. It also makes food more digestible, and boosts the "usable" protein level by about 12 percent.
The other benefits to using fermented feed:
Feed consumption and waste will drop by 1/2 to 3/4 (this will save you money)
Poultry on a diet of fermented feed are generally healthier and less likely to contract disease
There is almost zero waste as chickens don't scratch through it, kicking it out of the feeder
Stools become more solid and many people report less smell in the coop and run!
Egg yolks of eggs laid by hens on fermented feed will become noticeably larger, and shells will be more solid.
Endeavor
In my Fermented Feed, I use:
scratch grains,
Purina Flock Raiser crumbles or Layena pellets (depending on the age of the flock)
black oil sunflower seeds with the shell on
safflower seed without the shel
and sometimes others things (end of the oatmeal, heels of dry bread, veggie scraps, etc)
I started with Bragg's Apple Cider Vinegar "with the Mother", about two tablespoons full, in 1 and 1/2 gallons of water straight from the outside hydrant in a three gallon bucket.
I added a large scoop of scratch, one third of a scoop of crumbles (or pellets), quarter of a scoop of black oil sunflower seeds, small handful of safflower seeds. I "swirl" the bucket around, cover with a piece of cardboard large enough to cover the whole top of the bucket.
I kept it in the barn during the fall but it now resides on the laundry room floor.
To feed, I have a plastic colander that put over a second bucket (mine is a horse water bucket that has one flat side intended to hang against a wall). I pour the mix into the colander which holds the grains, seeds and "swollen" crumbles/pellets. It drains while I open the coop doors and check waterers. I then put the mix into various bowls/dishes/troughs around the coop and yard so that everyone gets a fair chance to eat. I use a smaller plastic scoop to serve it up.
I take the liquid left from draining and put it back it the bucket and add water to get it back to 1 and 1/2 gallons and add the grains, seeds and feed. No need to add more ACV.
Great stuff! Finished my Freedom Rangers on it and now my flock all gets it.
I can post pics tomorrow of the buckets and colander if interested but right now it is my bedtime.......
Sally, I stopped here, several pages back, to let you know how I do it. I just have one bucket at the moment, I think two buckets would be best because then I could have the feed ferment longer. But as it is, what I do is try to feed everyone last time around noon, then I take my bag of mash, pour a bit more than I think I'll need for the next day into the bucket, add tepid water a couple of inches above the feed after stirring (it sucks up a lot of water) then set it down to ferment until about 9 AM the next day. The original bucket full, I added ACV to get the fermentation started. It smells like beer!
I use a spaghetti spoon to scoop and drain out the feed, then dish it out into bowls for the birds that way. It's easy and I just add feed the next afternoon to feed out the next morning, keeping it in the house at about 60-70 degrees. It may not be as long a fermentation as it should be though. I plan on doing this with two buckets so they get a day and a half to ferment instead. I'm using home depot orange buckets and lids (lids put on loosely to keep interior clean but allow the air to escape (it bubbles). I find this to be the easiest for me, rather than a double bucket system. Also, since I use mash, I think it'd go right through any holes I'd drill at the bottom, also, doesn't feed got through anyway and collect in the bottom bucket? I dunno? But it works for me and the birds like it
Quote:
I drilled small holes in a 5 gal. bucket and placed it down into another. Place the grain in the top bucket, cover the grain/feed with water and soak. I speeded up the fermentation process by introducing a little unpasteurized ACV with a good mother culture in it.
You don't have to do it in the sieve system I setup but it comes in handy to just lift your grain bucket up and let the excess fermented fluid drain off before you feed. Depending on the warmth of the place in which you are doing your fermenting, soaking 8-15 hours is supposed to give your grain time to ferment enough to produce the valuable probiotics you are looking for. They are just pulled from the air...unless you want to speed it up like I did.
I just keep the same fluid in the bottom bucket and just add fresh water when necessary to get the right level to cover my feed. They call that backslopping....keeps those strong cultures in your grain fermenting system. Think sourdough bread...same thing.
Fermenting your grains is supposed to increase your protein by 12%, increase the absorption of your feed nutrients, increase total nutrient value, increase bowel health, increase laying performance, help prevent disease~particularly the intestinal ones like cocci, salmonella, e.coli, lower total feed consumption and thus total feed costs but will cause more weight gain on the lesser amounts of feed.
I've been doing this with my new CX chicks(54) and we are on their 4 th day. Their poop now looks like normal chicken feces, they have consumed less feed than they normally have by now, seem more content on the feed they are eating, prefer the fermented over the dry and are growing well. All bright, active and gaining ground. I am also offering buttermilk free choice in one waterer and unpasteurized ACV in the water of the other waterer...they can't get enough of it but don't seem to have the excessive thirst the CX normally have. Could be because they are not dehydrated from the constant diarrhea typical of this breed.
I drilled small holes in a 5 gal. bucket and placed it down into another. Place the grain in the top bucket, cover the grain/feed with water and soak. I speeded up the fermentation process by introducing a little unpasteurized ACV with a good mother culture in it.
You don't have to do it in the sieve system I setup but it comes in handy to just lift your grain bucket up and let the excess fermented fluid drain off before you feed. Depending on the warmth of the place in which you are doing your fermenting, soaking 8-15 hours is supposed to give your grain time to ferment enough to produce the valuable probiotics you are looking for. They are just pulled from the air...unless you want to speed it up like I did.
I just keep the same fluid in the bottom bucket and just add fresh water when necessary to get the right level to cover my feed. They call that backslopping....keeps those strong cultures in your grain fermenting system. Think sourdough bread...same thing.
Fermenting your grains is supposed to increase your protein by 12%, increase the absorption of your feed nutrients, increase total nutrient value, increase bowel health, increase laying performance, help prevent disease~particularly the intestinal ones like cocci, salmonella, e.coli, lower total feed consumption and thus total feed costs but will cause more weight gain on the lesser amounts of feed.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/644300/fermenting-feed-for-meat-birds
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DONT YOU DARE turn that off!! do you think your heater is going or a thermometer is going?My7 pathetic little bedheads...jut put in brooder BBS ORPS
Maybe its my mind but i swear i see 2 more star cracks in the bator!!!(day 23)Hard to tell one is a tiny dot of a very small hole and the other i have to crane my neck and its on the far side but ???
I did see 5 that were all dark only 3 that moved at day17.
Wellwas gonna turn it off but guess i wont now until i seel
Fredrick's story (hoping it's actually a Fredricka): I received a half dozen brown and green large and one bantam sized egg from a friend that she had bought from some lady on CL. She had red, brown, and black chickens. The lady wasn't sure of the breeds but that really didn't matter. Four of the eggs were fertile. Two very healthy robust chicks hatched on a Saturday. 48 hours later the bantam sized egg hatched. Poor little Fredrick......unable to stand.........laid flat on his back for 2 days in the incubator. Feeling sorry for the little guy, I mixed together egg, sugar and water and fed it to him with a syringe every couple of hours. I fashioned a foam brace to keep him upright for a long as he could tolerate. After a couple of days he could stand by himself for a few minutes and then would fall over onto his back again. I noticed that his toes were curled so I cut small cardboard squares and taped his toes spread out. After 5 days of this he was able to upright himself after he'd fall over. I decide to try to integrate him with the other two but they just terrorized him so I put a wire divider in the brooder and put a little stuffed bear with him. He could still be with the other two but protected. I couldn't get him to eat by himself but noticed that he would pick at the bears eyes so I moistened some chick feed and spread it over the bear's face and walla.......he started to eat "solids". Long story short. I was able to nurse Fred back from doom and put him with the other two. That was 5 weeks ago and now he is as almost a big as the other 2. I had my friend call the eggs seller and ask her what kind of bantams she had......her response was "I don't have any bantams"......still shrugging my shoulders. Fertile young pullet egg??? Anyway, put a lot of effort into this little guy but can't have roosters in town so I'm really hoping he is a she.
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Thank you so much for stopping over!!! YAY!!!Fredrick's story (hoping it's actually a Fredricka): I received a half dozen brown and green large and one bantam sized egg from a friend that she had bought from some lady on CL. She had red, brown, and black chickens. The lady wasn't sure of the breeds but that really didn't matter. Four of the eggs were fertile. Two very healthy robust chicks hatched on a Saturday. 48 hours later the bantam sized egg hatched. Poor little Fredrick......unable to stand.........laid flat on his back for 2 days in the incubator. Feeling sorry for the little guy, I mixed together egg, sugar and water and fed it to him with a syringe every couple of hours. I fashioned a foam brace to keep him upright for a long as he could tolerate. After a couple of days he could stand by himself for a few minutes and then would fall over onto his back again. I noticed that his toes were curled so I cut small cardboard squares and taped his toes spread out. After 5 days of this he was able to upright himself after he'd fall over. I decide to try to integrate him with the other two but they just terrorized him so I put a wire divider in the brooder and put a little stuffed bear with him. He could still be with the other two but protected. I couldn't get him to eat by himself but noticed that he would pick at the bears eyes so I moistened some chick feed and spread it over the bear's face and walla.......he started to eat "solids". Long story short. I was able to nurse Fred back from doom and put him with the other two. That was 5 weeks ago and now he is as almost a big as the other 2. I had my friend call the eggs seller and ask her what kind of bantams she had......her response was "I don't have any bantams"......still shrugging my shoulders. Fertile young pullet egg??? Anyway, put a lot of effort into this little guy but can't have roosters in town so I'm really hoping he is a she.
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Yes, my mom called him today, and his wife said that he has been searching for fertile eggs for me! He didn't even know of a person who could give him eggs, and yet he offered to find some for me!
I have no idea why some people are just that awesome! He still hasn't found any though. My mom told his wife on the phone that Hope is about the size of a small pigeon. :3 She is growing so fast!! I have pictures and videos galore!
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CUTEEEEE <3333
A butter mobile might help
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YAY!!!well, no one yell at mebut...
i couldn't stand it anymore and i opened the hatcher and grabbed an egg out, i candled it and couldn't see anything so i decided to peek inside. i made a small opening in the air cell and guess what????
IT'S ALIVE!!!!!!!!
YEAH! so i put a wet paper towel on the opening and put the egg back in the bator. now i just need to sit on my hands and wait!!!! i do feel much better waiting now that i know they're alive!!
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Cool! I can't wait for Hope to lay her first egg! (it shall be a while, I presume)
That sounds pretty good!
Update on the eggs- I went up to my local farm store to ask about the eggs... Idk what's going on but my neighbors weren't there and they had a substitute running the store instead. And they had like nothing from their farm in the store.. But I asked the person there about the eggs and she said that she would ask them. I sure hope theyre alright!!
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