Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[sterlingb]

I am not understanding how you are seeing yolk sack, can you take a pic>? yolk sack should be in the little end of the egg, you shouldnt be able to see this????

 

[sterlingb]

These are the main two that I can see. If that is what it is.

 

[Sally Sunshine]

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DO NOT USE OINTMENT WITH PAIN KILLER!​

See BELOW the clear look with the ointment? You can really see how they are progressing without opening the bator, also you can see the chick on the right has much more time to go than the chick on the left by easily viewing their veining.
NEVER remove this membrane until THOSE VEINS RECEDE and blood is absorbed!
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Sally on these chicks did u break the membrane around their beaks or did u wait for them to pup on their own? I have one chick that I can see its beak rally good and it's pointed up and right. Jw if I should leave it or pull the membrane from around its beak​

I would free its beak just like cochins just did to her goose and let it like these... remember NO MATTER what at this stage in the process you are trying to save their lives. I dont have high hopes for them, HOWEVER you are attempting to save them, I just dont want you beating yourself up over this as I am sure you will loose a few of them unfortunately.

Anyways, DO NOT cut a vessel, you basically make a little tear with the tweezers at its beak and "push" the membrane away from its nostrile, it should be situated just like these pics, that is the standard position. and only a little, usually there will be a VERY PROMINANT vein close to the nostrile, AVOID cutting this, you can try pushing it gently but dont cut it!

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Quote: awwww these two are upside down. take that papertowel off of them, their beaks are at the other end. I am not sure you are going to be able to assist these without ever assisting before! oh crudbucketsandmealworms!!! awww this sucks!

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Quote: awwww these two are upside down. take that papertowel off of them, their beaks are at the other end. I am not sure you are going to be able to assist these without ever assisting before! oh crudbucketsandmealworms!!! awww this sucks!
ok I am seriously thinking for you give me a few here!! ugggggg

 

[cochins1088]

Hopefully Sally will come up with something, but for now, I'm going to give my opinion.

I personally think that you should leave those 2 alone. If the embryos are upside down and they haven't pipped, it will be extremely difficult to find their beaks. And if you were to try to look for their beaks by breaking away bits of shell at the small end, you will most likely end up puncturing a vein and they would bleed out. It's one thing when you can see the veins to avoid them, it's another when they are hidden.

I think that you should leave them alone and hope that they will be able to pip on their own. That's what I would do.

 

[sterlingb]

So yo

ok I am seriously thinking for you give me a few here!! ugggggg 

So u want me to break the small end of the egg??? Omg how can I do that with rupturing the membrane?? There should be a 1800 hotline!!! Ok walk me through step by step

 

[Sally Sunshine]

sterling you there yet?
we need to close those holes but first we have to note the yolk position and mark the egg and snap a pic so you know where that yolk is located so we can make the most educated guess as to where its beak is later on..... make sense? see the image below and note where the yolk would be in relation to its body and head? note dip in air cell as well? so if you can make your best guess by looking at your eggs and this pic draw a circle where you think its beak may be.... after you did all that, take a gauze pad and tape it over that hole that is open, doesnt have to be fancy, just close it up to air, you already have antibotic ointment on it so just stop the air to it. and then I would put her back into the incubator until tomorrow morning, if they dont have pips at the other end where you marked or any other place for that matter you can try to save them.... they are so late already I dont think you have anything to loose to be honest unfortunately I wish I could say otherwise, I also just had 4 malpositioned and didnt know it and didnt even get a chance to help them : (.





this is the assist https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/step-by-step-guide-to-assisted-hatching

IF YOU DON’T FIND its beak/eye/wing from the air cell end or see a yellow/orange sack DO NOT break the membrane! I HATE HAVING TO DO THIS STEP AND depending on egg cost I WONT EVEN TRY AN ASSIST! It is Hard understand and find how a chick is positioned! IF YOU CANT FIND ITS BEAK, you can make a guess as to where you think it is after refering to that link and its pictures on malpositions, and carefully chip ONLY OUTER EGG Shell away at the guess area. (Example: If you see the butt or yolk sack when you took the air cell end off, you have the bottom of the chick, you will refer to the link with malposition pictures and take a guess at how the chick is situated at the other end or SIDE of the egg) The membrane will often be brown where the beak is trying to break through. If your lucky and find its beak, create an air hole there so the chick can breathe and if you didn’t find it DO NOT open the membrane, refer back to the position ANATOMY pics and try another spot and keep trying! As LONG as your only taking the Shell off and not causing blood loss and NOT disrupting and inner membrane your ok! ITS HARD to figure out a position and I am finding alot of times their head is tucked in the middle of the egg between butt and feet! After you found its beak establish clear beak for breathing, let the chick rest until the blood vessels recede, follow instructions for assisted hatch above from this point on. WAIT WAIT WAIT! Oh and WAIT SOME MORE!

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[Sally Sunshine]

So yo
Quote: NO DONT DO THAT!! OMG NO NO NO!!

 

[Sally Sunshine]

just so this didnt get lost in that message

"and then I would put her back into the incubator until tomorrow morning,"