Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[Sally Sunshine]

Quote: Thank you

I love that pic the video is much better though!! Lol

 

[Sally Sunshine]

ADDING VIDEO https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/image-and-video-tutorial

I made a youtube account and then I just copy and add the embeded html code in the move tab above here...

 

[Sally Sunshine]

Quote: The info and links from this thread are posted in an article https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/hatching-eggs-101

this is a paste from it in regards to shipped eggs......

EGGS: I have read that I should have purchased eggs locally instead of having them shipped, but I wanted Bantam Red & Blue Silkies! I ordered 6 of each through MyPet Chicken on line. GROUND SHIPPING may be a much better way of shipping due to the air pressure and temp changes of flying. NOTE: Call and make sure you know exactly what location your eggs are being shipped from. Got it! FIRST search the buy sell trade section here on BYC to see if there are any breeders in the area that are close to you that will allow you to visit and check out the quality of their birds that they sell. Or craigslist or ebay. Your hatch rate will more often be better plus you can actually see what you are getting. GOT IT!

RECEIVING EGGS: Clean hands, always clean hands. Inspect eggs don't wash. Someone on this site sent me to this site.... http://www.bevsmarans.com/hatching_eggs.htm which I will follow for SHIPPED eggs. (NOTES: DISCARD ANY EGG THAT SHOWS ANY IMPERFECTION IN THE SHELL, EVEN HAIRLINE CRACKS. Allow eggs to sit in a moderately cool, somewhat humid place for 24 hours before you begin to incubate them. Basements are great. Moderately cool means 65-75 degrees store the eggs on their sides or with the blunt/big side UP pointy side down. The blunt side contains the natural large air space in eggs, and this should NOT be on the bottom, or the embryo will develop wrong. DO NOT THROW YOUR EGGS RIGHT INTO THE INCUBATOR WHEN YOU GET THEM. DO NOT WARM THEM UP FAST IF THEY ARE COLD WHEN YOU GET THEM. Rotate your eggs a couple times a day while they sit. This will encourage the yolks to stay mobile. If the eggs are on their sides, just turn them at least a quarter turn. If the eggs are upright in an egg carton, put a thick book under one end of the carton, and to "rotate" them later, put the book under the OTHER end of the carton. Got it!)

BELOW ROLLING AIR CELL


SITES oN AIR CELL DAMAGE...
1. AIR CELL INFO for Incubation http://www.squidoo.com/mailed-shipped-fertilised-chickens-eggs-fertilized-hatching-chicken-egg A normal air cell in a freshly laid egg are dime sized up to quarter sized in a week-old or older egg, and fixed at the fat end and just looks like a line when candled.
From rough shipping it is possible to see detached, loose or rolling air sacs as seen in the picture. For those eggs, you need to change your hatch plan. They have to sit 24 hours always pointy end down, to see if the aircells will reattach, about half of them will in my experience. Either way, leave them in the egg carton for all 21 days of the hatch. Stop turning early at Day 16 not 18. It is possible to hatch chicks from eggs with detached air sacs when the cells never stabilized even after 24 hours, but were left upright for hatch. Make sure any turning is gentle, and no flatter than 45 degrees, more vertical is better! Disrupted, shattered or ruptured air sacs are seen when instead of one bubble on the side of the egg, there are more than one. Handling must be very rough in these situations and I believe can be enough to kill the embryo in the first place. These should have the same treatment as the detached air sac eggs, but don't re-candle after 24 hours, these won't reattach. Just having the air bubbles rising to the top of the eggs at the fat end while hatching the eggs vertically in trays gives any chicks that do grow chance to pip into the air cell. Likelihood of a chick hatching is lower than intact displaced air cell eggs, but worth a try if the eggs show no sign of spoilage or leaking.
2. Suggestions for Management of Damaged and Mal-positioned Egg Air Cells https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/501034/suggestions-for-management-of-damaged-and-mal-positioned-egg-air-cells "These eggs should then be set into the incubator in a vertical position and not turned for 36-48 hours, after that turning by tilting side to side at a 45 degree angle helps to keep the air at the top. Otherwise leave well alone and dont remove for weighing. During the second week the chorio-allantoic membrane (generously supplied with blood vessels) grows out from the chick to line the complete inner surface, including the air cell. Think of it as inflating a balloon within an already inflated balloon. The air cell is now resealed and from 15 days can be treated normally though gentle handling is needed."
3. http://skeffling.hubpages.com/hub/Chicken-Incubators-and-getting-the-most-chicks-from-your-hatching-eggs "For rolling, detached or disrupted air cells (so cells no longer at fat end of the egg but like a spirit level bubble on the long side), you’ll need to change your hatch plan. They need to sit 24 hours always pointy end down, to see if the cells will reattach. Leave them in the egg carton for all 21 days of the hatch. Stop turning early at Day 16 not 18. I have hatched chicks from eggs with detached air sacs where the cells never stabilized even after 24 hours, but were left upright for hatch. Make sure any turning is gentle, and 45% or more vertical

(NOTES: CHANGE of HATCH Plan DUE to EGG Cell Damage on most of the 12 SILKIE eggs. Settle 24 hours fat end up in Styro Egg Cartton with the bottoms cut out so that the eggs still get air circulation, heat and do not get condensation under them. Got it!)

 

[Sally Sunshine]

ok SOOOOO since I will have time this eve do I CLEAN up the article on this thread https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/hatching-eggs-101 OR start that new Assisting one?????? it really bothers me that article is such chaos!! but still would be so helpful to do the other!

 

[chicksooner]

Trust is a concern of mine, I have no way of knowing if she is being honest. What is good procedure for dealing with shipped eggs? That is something I need to know.

Ask if she has hatched shipped eggs and what her procedure is.

 

[reneeisme]

I have never used a service. If they are rare eggs I would use a service but if not I would wait...half the fun is hatching them yourself. So where you not getting hatches due to your incubator being broken? You can alway make a home-made incubator in the mean time...just a thought. Sorry I couldn't be of more help.

They are blue wheaten marans eggs, I'm not feeling very confident in building incubator myself. I am not sure what went wrong with my 2 failed attempts at hatching,first batch(9 cream legbars sent from Florida,arrived 2 days after shipped) destroyed air cells & 1 egg in that shipment was broken,one began develop then died during early days all the others where scrambled when I opened them. One of them was a tan liquid that smelled rancid. second attempt (4 marans,sent from new york, arrived in 2 days)air cells seemed OK, left in carton first 7 days then placed them on sides. can not see in eggs at all, one egg was filling in. On day 16 start to notice faint rancid smell can not tell which egg it is for sure, day 18 temp drops to 96 for a time during night then went back up ,day 22 heat quit entirely, opened the eggs 2 nothing, 1 looked like a tiny kidney bean.

 

[gabrielle1976]

What kind of bator do you have?

 

[reneeisme]

What kind of bator do you have?

Brinsea Mini eco

 

[3Dchicken]

Ummm I feel that way too with my girl's eggs now...I feel guilty eating them because I wonder who they "could" be

Lol I don't feel guilty about eating eggs, but I always remember that nasty smell that one of my bad eggs smelled like whenever i do eat eggs. xD Soooo gross.

 

[3Dchicken]

ok SOOOOO since I will have time this eve do I CLEAN up the article on this thread https://www.backyardchickens.com/a/hatching-eggs-101 OR start that new Assisting one?????? it really bothers me that article is such chaos!! but still would be so helpful to do the other!

Erm, what's the assisting one for? I vote that you do the assisting one! You can always fix the other one later. As long as people can read it, you can put it off as long as you want- but of course in the back of your mind you'll be thinking about it. It is a very good article no matter what it looks like in terms of font.