Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[chicknfun]

Quote: Sally promised she wouldn't tell anyone that I did that..

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[Doug Hodges]

 

[jfer]

Good Morning Jfer

Good MorniiiiinG!!!!! Just saw this Lol

 

[annabell254]

Air bubbles are a bad sign.. That means the air cell has ruptured. I've never had an egg with a ruptured air cell develop, but you should try anyways. Incubate it in an egg carton and don't turn it for a while. You can start tilting it a little bit after 3 days of incubation.

For direction of the eggs, they should go in air cell up. but you say you can't find the air cells?

Sorry about the hamburg eggs, have you talked to the seller?

NOPE cant find an air cell in any of my eggs period... so I think my light is to blame... my new one should come in the mail today or monday..... No have not talked to the breeder..... I may not ..... im gonna give myself some time so cool off first... I know two of the eggs are older as she said she was saving two for me on monday.... but I though the two older eggs she was saving would be extras...

ANYONE EVER HATCH AN EGG WITH A RUPTURED AIR CELL???? EVER???? and what about the poo on my eggs?!!? I dont want to contamanate anything... some I can pop or scrape off... but have not touch them yet......waiting on advice

You think that's bad? here there have been incidents of them placing kids with people who have been convicted of violent crimes.

Yeah, whoever FORGOT that kid should go to jail for child endangerment, neglect, etc....that is supposed to be their job!!!! Bout the same as people who think it is ok to lock their kids, animals in a car while they run into the store......on a 90 degree day

Lets recap. I had 38 eggs that were supposed to hatch Thursday. I have a still air incubator. I incubated at 99.5 and not 102. I took them out of the turner on Monday and added water and got the humidity to 75%. ON hatch day. Only three pips and nothing hatched. The next day we had a few hatch with some assistance. I killed a couple in this process. We had 4 die in the hatch process or after the hatch. Today we had four more hatch. One died in the egg with half its body and head out. I thought they were done so I started to open one a little bit ago and it looked bloody. but it looked dead. I opened another and it moved and then I noticed the first one was moving. So I probably killed two more. I left them in the shell. I tried to candle and I couldn't see any movement in most of them. The ones with no movement are the ones I tried to open just now. These are Buff Orpington eggs. The humidity is at 75%. I can hear one chirping now. Today is day 23. I have 13 chicks that I took out and put into the brooder that are doing great. I have 20 eggs left counting the two I just tried to open. I damaged the membrane in the process and it is bleeding a little. I guess I should be more patient. This is my first time to use these Styrofoam incubators. The only one I used in the past was my dads top of the line incubator that was automatic and had great hatches and kept the humidity and heat at exactly what was needed. The hatches were always like clockwork and were usually over in a day. This is the third day of hatching and its still not over. Are any of these chicks that are still in egg going to make it? Should I wait for two more days before assistance. None are pipped. Exercise patience and leave them alone or what? Thanks

 

[sumi]

Quote: Things like that are the high points for me. It makes up for the inevitable losses.

I've started skipping posts the past few days, because I just don't have time to read them all and things move so quick. I can believe it's the most active thread. I turned my back for less than an hour and there's 31 new posts! Awful lot of hatching going on here

 

[sumi]

I lost my little struggling chick this morning.

She was so weak when I got up and she would barely accept fluids, so I just put her on my chest and went back to bed until she was gone....

I know I did everything I could possibly do with my skills.

Now to focus on the other struggling one and the 10 super duper healthy ones that are already trying to fly at 6 days old.

I'm so sorry

I used to do that with my chicks when I knew they were dying. I sit and hold them until they're gone. It's hard for me, but I feel it's something I should do for them, you know?
You did what you could for that little one. Focus on the living now. They need you too!

 

[chicknfun]

Quote: Should I pip them all and add moisture to the inner membrane?
I can't say what you should do, but the way I am.....that is what I would do, as long as I knew they were close. Gosh, I hope I am not wrong to say that, but I am being honest, that is similar to the situation I was in. How do you know that the membrane is dry without having pipped? just asking for reference!, The experience I described is my first with any kind of hatching, mama walked off the job....

 

[sumi]

Quote: Where there's life there's hope.
In a way this makes me so sad, due to an experience I had with my first batch of chicks last spring........i had gotten the cutest little blue feathered EE. I wasn't keeping them warm enough, due to lack of experience.....I wonder now if I could have saved her....

Bottom line: great advice, if I ever again find a cold chick, i am going to at least try !!!!
Thanks for this!!
I hatched a chick once, it was my first assisted hatches, her and her brother, who was fine. She couldn't walk or stay upright and after 2 days we culled her. Now I wish I learned about chick orthopaedics sooner. I'd have tried to help her. I've learned a lot of things here that I wish I knew when I started, about assisting, handicapped chicks etc that would've saved lives..

 

[annabell254]

Should I pip them all and add moisture to the inner membrane?

if you can hear them I would VERY carfully pip them a hole big enought to breath through...if you see any blood put them down on a moist papertowel in the incubator and WALK AWAY for at least 4 hours.... then slowly remove just shell around the hole and then carfully and slowly see in the outer membrain will push back ... the inner membrain is see through and if you see vaining and blood vessicles WALK AWAY until they GO AWAY 8-12 hours more... then carfully peel back more outer membrain, if the chick is moving and peeping and struggleing and you see NO blood vessiles try to push the membrain back around the chick.... try not to tear it... one the chicks head is free PUT IT BACK and leave it alone until it comes the rest of the way by it self!! can take up to 24 hours more.... NEVER remove the chick all the way from the shell, let it kick out in its own time..... I had to help ALL of my last 14 chicks out, one is inthe first stages now... they have no air cell and cannot move to zip.... it takes 24-48 hours from pip to chick 1/2 way out of shell with my help.... any faster and the chick may not be ready and will die.... some blood is fine, but do not even re-check for at least 4 hours if you see blood.... chicks should be fine

 

[sumi]

YEP! I had to skip the 275 posts since last night!

and am just jumping right back in

So here is an up-date on my next hatch.... I set the Sussex and Sultan eggs this morning (I could not find air cells in any) ... and got the citron hamburg eggs waiting to go in tonight............VERY DISSAPOINTED IN MY HAMBURG EGGS!!!!! 1st they are super tiney... the size of bantams eggs!....NO SMALLER than bantam eggs!!!!!! and the breeder assured me they are standard size... which I am now doubting, or if they are then they are from young birds, or they are the smallest egg laying hamburg EVER!..... They are also dirty!!!!!!!!!!!

and I cannot tell AT ALL which side is the big end as both sides are identicall!!!!

they are marked so I went with how she marked them..... I can see no air cells in any of them, BUT one had air bubbles!!!! AIR BUBBLES!!!!! I only got 4 eggs and she sent NO EXTRAS and I paid like 30$ for them!!!

only because I thought they were standard size and I could not find ANY standard size anywhere......

SO WHATEVER..... maybe I will be plesently surprised in 3 weeks.......... Also I have a hight powered light comming for candeling eggs as I think mine is way to soft ......... I mean I should have seen air cells in the eggs that are 7 days old right????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????????

Good luck and fingers crossed!