Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching

[familypendragon]

Oh wow, yeah we all have our issues for sure. Hope the knee feels better and the water gets turned back on. That is amazing about the chick - wish it luck!

 

[cochins1088]

I want to get together a cooperative for vaccinations. Did you know that Merck now makes a vaccine for ILT. It is a recombinant vaccine with a Mareks carrier, so not only do you get resistance to Mareks, but you also get immunity (non-shedding and extremely low morbidity) to ILT. Unlike the live attenuated which is like giving them ILT, they can shed it when stressed and you need to give it once a year.

The only problem is that Merck only sells it in packs of 15 and each pack vaccinates 200 birds putting the cost at about $17 per bird. To much for a single backyard owner, but if a bunch of us got together.....

Oh, P.S. we never had this conversation because this is all off-label. Its only approved for use in in-ovo vaccination but it has shown very good efficacy when given in the wing-web at 5 wks. Why wont these big pharmie companies acknowledge that they need to acknowledge the backyard flock owner? I can get the permit to vaccinate and I have a friend who would be willing to order for me under my permit and then I could next day ship to others if anyone is interested. Its not illegal, its just not really accepted procedure as far as the USDA is concerned. But we're talking about rules that were put in place for big commercial operations without even thinking about us little guys.

Interesting. I have a thread currently going about the laryngotracheitis vaccine. I contacted 2 different breeders about the possibility of obtaining a pair of show quality birds and both of them vaccinate for laryngotracheitis. One used the chicken embryo origin (CEO) vaccine while the other used the tissue culture origin (TCO) vaccine. However after research, I found out that both vaccines can cause birds to become carriers of the disease so I decided against buying them. Both breeders are very well known and have been breeding for years, yet they didn't seem to understand that dangers of using this vaccine.

I haven't heard of this version of the vaccine before. If it's truly a safer alternative and protects against Mareks, I might be interested.

 

[ozexpat]

Reading everyones proiblems here...wow so bad....but sumi... was so lucky Id be hiding in my house afraid to come out though but im not a piison snake fan ill stick with garter and black snakes thank you
Dogs. .guess my problems are just silly ones... My sneaky Chorkie went in the Lav Am coop and ate the eggs she and my
splash eng orp were sitting on 2 weeks ...ug She and my Mastiff girl dontt bother chicks at all butare thriled to lick up the birds food when i feed them and then ignore their dog food .
I woke up depressed Leg hurts fron knee repkacerment and water well pump shut off b/ c my son didnt pay his bill and now we found the well pump is on his electric Bought 14 gallons of water yesterday ...4 left....BUT reading all the poor ppl real problems here i feel like mine are so paultry! Hope everyones luck turns better on backs dogs and chicken diseases One thing.. when things are down. they gotta go UP!!!GOOD LUCK TO ALL!

I dont have problems - I have challenges. The poultry business is a game of learning. Two steps forward, one step back.

 

[rbaker0345]

I dont have problems - I have challenges. The poultry business is a game of learning. Two steps forward, one step back.

Well said Oz, the glass is half full man- right on.

 

[rbaker0345]

No, the state vet doesn't do vaccines, but they issue the permits (for free) to do the vaccines. ILT, for example, requires a permit to vaccinate. They are also a wealth of knowledge of procedure and advice and can connect you to local workers and get you set up with NPIP.


Honestly, all of the NPIP workers I spoke to said to go ahead and use the live attenuated ILT. I wouldn't not buy a bird because of the ILT vaccine, but the recommendation is to keep them in quarantine for 45 days, I quarantine them for 90. Which means that I keep them separate and I feed, water or mess with them after I have taken care of Everyone else. My NPIP worker actually recommended that I expose all birds to my ILT birds because when they get it second hand and not from the wild (the wild vector is still unknown, but I did find a sick baby blue jay drinking from my pond about four days before my birds broke out with ILT), the virus is much milder and has a much lower mortality rate. He said that without a non-shedding vaccine available, ILT has become so ubiquitous, its best to expose them to the non-wild virus than to have the wild virus show up on your property. And he's right. The first outbreak I experienced (after the blue jay) was horrendous, horrible, unbelievably bad (but I still only lost 7 birds out of 100 and, technically two of those were to a raccoon and one was to coccidia). The second outbreak was a breeze, just a little conjunctivitis and it was over. Then I had to medicate for some mild secondary infections. In the absence of a recombinant vaccine, I still recommend the tissue culture vac.

I will talk to my poultry vet friend and see if I can set it up to get a shipment and then I will let everyone know what the cost per vial will be. Its still going to be a 200 dose vial (maybe more, can't remember exactly), but even if you have to pay like 30+ dollars per vial, and waste 90% of the vial, its still worth it. I just have to get it through a vet because the rep can't sell it to me for off-label use.

 

[TweetyNPetey]

Well, Tweet's coop should be up and ready for him this week!
I felt so bad for him this morning, I went outside to feed the chickens and ducks after homework, and I put a scoop of chicken feed in the feeder, and they all started gobbling it up; all but Tweet. The poor little guy's terrified of the standard hens, he won't even dare to go near the feed. But the poor cock is starving! I put a scoop on the other side of the coop where no one would steal it. I honestly can't wait for Tweet's coop to get here...

 

[rbaker0345]

how did you get your avatar to move?

 

[ozexpat]

how did you get your avatar to move?

you can make an animated gif

 

[TweetyNPetey]

how did you get your avatar to move?

I converted a video I had into a Gif image.

 

[Doug Hodges]

What a week. My wifes water broke Monday Morning at 4:30. Heres the story. We had a midwife. We started going to her monthly at first. Toward the end she started coming to our house every other week. My wife started leaking (water broke) at 4:30 in the morning. We contacted the mid wife. Around 10ish her labor increased and the midwife came over. We were going for a water birth in our jacuzzi. So I made the water and got it to 100 degrees where we tried to maintain it. Once my wife started hard labor, the pain was intense. No pain meds. She wanted out. We got her out and she wanted to lie on the floor. So she laid back in my arms right on the bathroom floor. We had found that rubbing her lower back eased her hard labor so that's what I did as I held her up. She was in hard labor for about 30 minutes and about the 3rd time she pushed the head appeared. The midwife cleared any obstructions from the babies mouth and removed the umbilical cord from around her neck. One more hard long push and the baby was out and laying on her belly and in our arms. We put heated towels over the top of her and clamped off the cord after it quit pulsing and I cut it. After a bit, we got my wife to the bed and the baby stayed with her and us. We did all the tests with her in our arms. She never left us. Completely different from any hospital and something I will never forget. Our two youngest children(my step children girl 13 boy 11) and my wife's mother and two sisters watched the birth. I saw all of it from my position as well as I craned my head forward to see. We had a nurse/midwife on hand as well who was constantly checking the babies heartbeat with an ultrasound. Everything went great. Since we left the water, the midwife kept hot compresses on my wife to help with any tearing and she had just a very tiny tear of her skin. Nothing that needed stitches. She had our daughter at 12:03 pm.

I was in so much pain Wednesday night from the bulging disc in my back that I couldn't even get out of the chair without rolling out and crawling to the bed. I put an icepack on and yesterday morning I woke up with no pain. I even drove to St Louis and looked at a roof and drove home. Im at work today. I haven't been at work more than 5 days in the last month. Its a miracle. I went from extreme pain to just a distant unpleasantness in my lower back. My prostate infection seems to be gone too. Im hoping my latest PSA test will come back good and this nightmare will be over. Im trusting in God for complete healing.

Sumi sent me a message and I realized I hadn't told anyone on here anything. Sorry for that. Pictures to come.