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coch let me know when u figure it all out, can you write me a idiots guide to vaccinations?
Diary & Notes ~ Air Cell Detatched SHIPPED Chicken Eggs for incubation and hatching
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I've got a long ways to go. I should really start saving the credible information in a document so that I can keep track of it all.
vaccinations are that gray area that no one seems to have the right answer on. even buying eggs isnt safe as some diseases can be spread through the egg.
i fight with these questions all the time in my own mind. im about 90% sure that murry mcmurry and meyers both vaccinate their adult flocks. i myself do not vaccinate because i was trying to stay 100% disease free. now that we are making the changes to our breeding stock and lines, i may start vaccinating - and offering vaccinations as an option to my buyers. it really wouldnt cost much more to put vaccinations in a box in an empty hole of a chick shipper. of course i do have to weigh the "use by" dates and whether or not i can move enough of the vaccinations to keep it reasonable for everyone.
we recently lost a large portion of our chickens to Infectious laryngotracheitis (link: http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1516-635X2003000300001&script=sci_arttext ) it appears to be more common that i thought in wild birds - probably the original source of our outbreak. i am now going through rigorous testing and research to make sure we dont ship it out to other people. - this is a huge expense, and in my opinion it would have been much cheaper to vaccinate. (blood tests 300 birds is about $3000, loss of 100 birds with a conservative value of $20 a chicken or another $2000 loss)
i fight with these questions all the time in my own mind. im about 90% sure that murry mcmurry and meyers both vaccinate their adult flocks. i myself do not vaccinate because i was trying to stay 100% disease free. now that we are making the changes to our breeding stock and lines, i may start vaccinating - and offering vaccinations as an option to my buyers. it really wouldnt cost much more to put vaccinations in a box in an empty hole of a chick shipper. of course i do have to weigh the "use by" dates and whether or not i can move enough of the vaccinations to keep it reasonable for everyone.
we recently lost a large portion of our chickens to Infectious laryngotracheitis (link: http://www.scielo.br/scielo.php?pid=S1516-635X2003000300001&script=sci_arttext ) it appears to be more common that i thought in wild birds - probably the original source of our outbreak. i am now going through rigorous testing and research to make sure we dont ship it out to other people. - this is a huge expense, and in my opinion it would have been much cheaper to vaccinate. (blood tests 300 birds is about $3000, loss of 100 birds with a conservative value of $20 a chicken or another $2000 loss)
sally and i have been having a conversation about AI clean and NPIP, this is a copy and paste for other people's references.
Brian, I am running into the AI bs yet again!
States are offering an AI monitor program which is NOT AI clean its an annual monitor instead of the 90 days as stated in the NPIP provisions, However the gal from OHIO is letting me see her paperwork she signed off on and it all refers back to the NPIP provisions. There is NO AI monitor program for NPIP just AI clean, HOWEVER this gals 9-3 form acually has a row to check AI monitored and she says its a fed 9-3 my 9-3 has only AI CLEAN!
this is so confusing and now I am even limitted more! My state rep says that if I would get out of the AI clean I would loose the indeminity program. I understand that. If there is money in the fed government lol.
But I just wanted you to also read through your docs when u have time and if you can share some of them/parts and what your own forms look like I would appreciate it!
I am already in contact with the ohio rep, and even though its optional ai clean some people do the monitor annual, but the trouble is they are using the AI CLEAN NPIP and its not the same. If you go through all the provisions no where is there an AI monitored section or an AI annual testing its all 90 days and such.
I am emailing the npip rep at federal after I get another reply from ohio.
i just got off the phone with Mike Stichler, the guy who does my NPIP testing. he said that it does vary from state to state, and PA is alot more strict because they have had AI (sometime in the 80's). basically his answer was: if your AI monitored (that is what i am) you can ship to around 44 states the exceptions off the top of his head were VA and Delaware. they require AI clean - a quarterly test in PA, and biyearly in OH. our flock here is only AI monitored.
he also told me that if you want to ship to Montana that you have to contact the state office and tell them. (the rest of this is for Ohio) you fill out the paperwork, and send it to the USDA for certification of NPIP. they stamp it proving that you have been tested. i am assuming it is the same for PA with the exception of frequency of AI testing.
can i post this on your thread to help others along? (along with your PM questions)
sure, also I will add this....
I finally figured this all out. Its all a funding issue state to state.
when you get the time, we are having conversation on the PA thread about it. Mind you Silkysensation is from OHIO I will put a link and you can get an idea of the discussion and then see how it all panned out after I contacted ohio.
start here, its not alot of reading other people are posting in between... but you will understand when she tells me about only on vet to do hundreds of testing and such... very interesting. its all such a joke.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/248345/pennsylvania-unite/32260
that is what mike was telling me. in Ohio we only have to pay one $50 fee and we can get 2 tests for AI clean (as long as our grant money holds out) in PA it can cost $400 or more to be AI clean. you should just pack up and move over here LOL.
Brian, I am running into the AI bs yet again!
States are offering an AI monitor program which is NOT AI clean its an annual monitor instead of the 90 days as stated in the NPIP provisions, However the gal from OHIO is letting me see her paperwork she signed off on and it all refers back to the NPIP provisions. There is NO AI monitor program for NPIP just AI clean, HOWEVER this gals 9-3 form acually has a row to check AI monitored and she says its a fed 9-3 my 9-3 has only AI CLEAN!
this is so confusing and now I am even limitted more! My state rep says that if I would get out of the AI clean I would loose the indeminity program. I understand that. If there is money in the fed government lol.
But I just wanted you to also read through your docs when u have time and if you can share some of them/parts and what your own forms look like I would appreciate it!
I am already in contact with the ohio rep, and even though its optional ai clean some people do the monitor annual, but the trouble is they are using the AI CLEAN NPIP and its not the same. If you go through all the provisions no where is there an AI monitored section or an AI annual testing its all 90 days and such.
I am emailing the npip rep at federal after I get another reply from ohio.
i just got off the phone with Mike Stichler, the guy who does my NPIP testing. he said that it does vary from state to state, and PA is alot more strict because they have had AI (sometime in the 80's). basically his answer was: if your AI monitored (that is what i am) you can ship to around 44 states the exceptions off the top of his head were VA and Delaware. they require AI clean - a quarterly test in PA, and biyearly in OH. our flock here is only AI monitored.
he also told me that if you want to ship to Montana that you have to contact the state office and tell them. (the rest of this is for Ohio) you fill out the paperwork, and send it to the USDA for certification of NPIP. they stamp it proving that you have been tested. i am assuming it is the same for PA with the exception of frequency of AI testing.
can i post this on your thread to help others along? (along with your PM questions)
sure, also I will add this....
I finally figured this all out. Its all a funding issue state to state.
when you get the time, we are having conversation on the PA thread about it. Mind you Silkysensation is from OHIO I will put a link and you can get an idea of the discussion and then see how it all panned out after I contacted ohio.
start here, its not alot of reading other people are posting in between... but you will understand when she tells me about only on vet to do hundreds of testing and such... very interesting. its all such a joke.
https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/248345/pennsylvania-unite/32260
that is what mike was telling me. in Ohio we only have to pay one $50 fee and we can get 2 tests for AI clean (as long as our grant money holds out) in PA it can cost $400 or more to be AI clean. you should just pack up and move over here LOL.
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Brian did you see our recent conversation and info posted on larngotrac? head back to when I started posting again, we have several links listed too. This is what started the worry over live vaccines thanks to Coch bringing to my ignorant non medical brain!
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https://www.backyardchickens.com/t/...ll-detatched-shipped-eggs/22210#post_12389262
conversation Started when I posted what my health inspector said....... I was hoping everyone would have more input but it was a slow time on here and I think oz was milking a water buffalo or building a wall to hold the ocean and neighboring predators at bay.
conversation Started when I posted what my health inspector said....... I was hoping everyone would have more input but it was a slow time on here and I think oz was milking a water buffalo or building a wall to hold the ocean and neighboring predators at bay.
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